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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here with another episode of UFO news

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network Sunday tonight on a Tuesday

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night with another special guest and let

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me bring in my co-hosts to introduce him

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chant Hannah chant how are you tonight

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I'm doing really well Frank thank you so

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much we have a really wonderful guest on

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with us tonight we feel very privileged

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and honored to be able to introduce

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Derek P Gilbert he hosts sky watch TV

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and co-host SCI Friday a weekly

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television program that looks at science

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news with his wife author and analyst

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Sharon Kay Gilbert he's been

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interviewing guests for his podcast a

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view from the bunker since 2009

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Derek is a Christian a husband and

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father and the author of the

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groundbreaking books the great inception

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and the last Clash of the Titans he's

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also the co-author with Josh Peck of a

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book about the occult origins of the

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modern UFO phenomenon that day the earth

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stands still

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Derek's forthcoming book bad news a moon

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rising fall of 2019 analyzes the

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spiritual forces behind Islam derek is a

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popular speaker at churches and

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conferences and recent years on topics

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such as Dominion theology transhumanism

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and his mind-blowing research connecting

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the ancient Canaanites to the Nephilim

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the Watchers of the Bible and the old

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gods the Greek pantheon the titans derek

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is a lifelong fan of the Chicago Cubs

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for furs glasses to contacts and he's

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been known to sing the high part in

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barbershop and gospel quartets welcome

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Derek how are you I'm doing very well as

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an honor to be here thank you yes thank

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you so much now I wanted to ask you what

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was the impetus or the inspiration or

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motivation to allow you to want to take

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that leap into the topic of ufology it

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was some research that I stumbled across

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I've been a lifelong science-fiction fan

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I mean learn to lift one eyebrow at a

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time thanks to Leonard Nimoy in the old

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Star Trek series

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which has served me well I guess on

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camera people keep commenting on the the

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eyebrows but I saw some research a while

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ago a few years ago by a National

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Geographic Channel when they were

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launching a new program back in 2012

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that showed that 36 percent of American

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adults believed that we're being visited

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visited by extraterrestrials or at least

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there's evidence to suggest that the

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earth is being visited by ET when I

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compared that against research from a

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group called the the Barna Group which

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does research on what Americans believe

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specifically what Christians believe

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about the Bible about God about and so

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on found that and they found that only 9

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percent of American adults have a

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Christian or what it what they call a

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biblical worldview which they defined as

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believing in six key tenets of Christian

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faith like Christianity 101 if you will

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what was really sad is that people who

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profess to be Christians only had about

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a 19 percent 19 percent of them had a

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biblical worldview according to barniz

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definition but what that said to me is

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that there are four times more people in

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America who believe that we're being

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visited by extraterrestrials then who

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believed in God as he revealed himself

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in the Bible and I've done a fair amount

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of reading and and into apologetics

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they're the reasons that we can believe

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that the Bible was accurately preserved

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for the last two thousand years and so

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and so I thought well let's let's look

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the UFO phenomenon is as much a

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spiritual quest for many people and as

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it is a an intellectual curiosity in

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other words people are pursuing the the

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information about what's visiting us

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because they're hoping it will answer

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the big questions that have been with

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humanity since the very beginning namely

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where do we come from why are we here

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and what happens to us when we die and

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as a Christian and a Bible believing

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Christian I think you know we have the

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answers you know the Bible has those

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answers if we understand it proper

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but clearly that answer is not good

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enough for many people or maybe it

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hasn't been explained properly so anyway

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Josh Peck and I sat down and began

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looking at the topic from that

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perspective how do we analyze the UFO

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phenomenon in terms of in terms of it

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being a religion more or less well there

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has been a some talk about that recently

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at Diana pasilla had written a book

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American cosmic where she is suggesting

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that it might be the new religion i I

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don't know that that's actually gonna

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happen but that she's at least

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suggesting it what were your findings

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when you took a closer look at that well

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what we found specifically is that we

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can trace a chain of evidence from the

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The Godfather of the modern ancient

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aliens theory and I know that not

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everybody in the UFO community believes

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that Erich von Daniken is on the right

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track but certainly is a very popular

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belief system popular enough to spawn 12

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seasons of ancient aliens we can trace

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we can trace the evidence from von

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Daniken's Chariots of the Gods back to

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HP Lovecraft and from HP Lovecraft to

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Aleister Crowley and Helena Blavatsky in

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other words and from there you know

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going further back into the Spiritist

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movement and the naturalist philosophers

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of ancient Greece I mean we carried it

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back to you know seventh century BC but

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the the point is it was not an original

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thought - - von Daniken and it was based

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in the occult or New Age teachings of

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livanski and Crowley from more than a

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hundred years earlier or about a hundred

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years earlier the III think that guys

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like Steven Greer are certainly seeing

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this as a spiritual quest and when Josh

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and me and my wife Sharon Kay Gilbert

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went down to Roswell for the 70th

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anniversary of the the Roswell crash we

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just were wondering now if this is

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extraterrestrial entities crossed the

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galaxy to get here to visit planet Earth

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and trying to figure out what sort of

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system they would need and how they

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would protect the life-support system of

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the the pilots of the craft and the

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passengers

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why wouldn't we see more engineers here

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why wouldn't we see say recruiters for

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the MIT or Cal Tech or somebody like you

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know places like that at Roswell instead

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we saw a lot of booths offering to sell

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healing crystals and do palm readings so

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people who were in rusts well for a

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festival celebrating what purports to be

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the crash of an extraterrestrial craft

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we're really there looking for answers

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to spiritual questions okay a question

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for you Derrick I wanted to ask you what

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is the difference between new-age the

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movement which has happened for decades

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now and the occult which has appeared to

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have happened for far longer well from a

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Christian perspective there's no

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difference at all essentially it's one

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in the same seeking seeking spiritual

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answers from entities other than the the

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creator of the universe God the God of

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the Bible there are different ways of

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going about it but essentially it's

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trying to contact those entities that

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God said to Moses you know tell the

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Israelites don't do this thing and you

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know John the Apostle wrote in one of

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his letters test the spirits because not

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all are from God and yet that's exactly

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what Steven Greer is offering through

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his you know free mobile app teaching

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you how to have telepathic contact with

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what are supposedly entities from outer

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space but it sounds an awful lot like me

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to opening yourself up to contact with

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the spirit realm which is awfully

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dangerous yeah yeah I have a quick

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question for you doc you'd mentioned the

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spirit and you know where from my

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understanding from the old Catholic

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teachings that I've been exposed to I

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have a spirit you have a spirit chant

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has a spirit all our listeners have a

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spirit and in the UFO bill there's also

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been a lot of talk about consciousness

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now do you see a differ

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said between consciousness and spirit

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and if so what might it be well it's a

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on how the the word is used it's almost

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a like a key word among New Agers

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research into consciousness and what

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consciousness is and for all of the the

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brilliant men and women people a lot

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smarter than me and all the research

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they put into that they don't have an

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answer to that question just like the

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researches into developing autonomous

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artificial intelligences they can

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program neural networks and feed data in

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and get results out and they have no

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idea what's going on inside the black

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boxes that they're creating so what does

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it mean when we we talk about

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consciousness again I think it really

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depends on what you're on who you're

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asking as a Christian I think the the

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best step I would make at it is that is

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the the life force that was breathed

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into the first man by God himself when

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he decided to create humanity for his

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pleasure I think it's used in different

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ways by different people and I don't

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want to presume to tell others who

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believe differently what it is they

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believe but I do see that word an awful

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lot for example the Institute of noetic

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Sciences seems to be researching that

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particular topic quite a bit that was

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co-founded by the late astronaut dr.

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Edgar Mitchell right so we and we know

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from the the Podesta email releases

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thanks to WikiLeaks that dr. Mitchell

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was trying to use Podesta as a contact

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to get through to President Obama that's

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a subject that Josh and I covered in the

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book the day the earth stands still

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Josh handled that and dug into it and

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found that even for dr. Mitchell who was

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a scientist a NASA astronaut but for him

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this was a spiritual quest as they were

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trying to encourage the United States

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government and really the government

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leaders of the entire planet to make

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contact with friendly aliens who

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friends are loyal to God because there

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are unfriendly aliens out there from a

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contiguous universe who want us to do us

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harm if I understand the emails

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correctly but again when you start using

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that kind of language you know

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contiguous universe you're starting to

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talk about entities that are coming from

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other dimensions and intersecting with

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talking Christian language again because

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activity of angels and demons I've

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side Friday channel which is available

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right here on YouTube and it's a great

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channel and if you watch the shows you

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that you will never see on this channel

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but a fantastic job with all that now

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you've got that set up every it's pro

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level work but that in one of the

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episodes that you would mention that the

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the Bible is not a science book of

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course that's fairly obvious but do you

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want to go into that a little bit well

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sure God met with the prophets of old

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and the Apostles and the people who they

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were preaching to where they were this

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subject that comes up in Christian

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communities because one of the subjects

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that is emerged in over the last couple

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of years is a resurgence in a belief

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that the earth is flat now Sharon my

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wife is the scientist in the SCI Friday

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she's got a degree in molecular biology

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but both of us have enough understanding

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of science of mathematics

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you know geometry trigonometry etc to

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understand that the earth is

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demonstrably round

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okay yes nASA has a black budget NASA

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does things that we don't know about but

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there are so many space agencies on the

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planet I think seventy at last count

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thirteen or so of which have launched

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capacity I think keeping the shape of

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the earth a secret if it truly was flat

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would be really really hard in this day

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and age but the truth be told you know

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in the the hundreds of years before the

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birth of Jesus Christ the Greeks had

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figured out that the earth was round

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just by saying hey look the shape coming

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off of this sundial is different than

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the one over southern and

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we're able to calculate the diameter the

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earth with a surprising degree of

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accuracy considering they didn't have

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you know satellites to help measure in

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Global Positioning System and so on but

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this has come up in this in the

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Christian community because there are

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those who believe and God bless them I

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don't want to you know I don't want to

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bash anybody if anybody wants to believe

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that earth is flat that that's fine

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that's fine but for some it has become a

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test of your faith because there's some

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language in the Bible that says you know

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the four corners of the earth and earth

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rests on pillars and and so forth that

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would seem to suggest that God is saying

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that the earth is flat but what God is

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doing is telling Moses describing the a

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cosmology to Moses and the other

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prophets in terms they would understand

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and in terms that the people that they

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would have to turn around and reach

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would understand when Moses came up

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Mount Sinai in the 15th century BC God

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did not sit him down and say okay look

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I've got some things to tell you about

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the way you guys are supposed to live

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but first we're gonna have to teach you

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some astrophysics the earth the earth

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isn't flat it's a ball and there are

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people living on the other side of the

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planet and you know people if Moses had

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gone to the Israelites and said okay

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Yahweh has told me the earth is a ball

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the Israelites would have laughed and

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said okay we picked the wrong God so

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it's not primarily a book of science God

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was sharing more important truths

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religious through spiritual truths that

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were not premise on a sound

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understanding of biology astrophysics

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etc etc there are other sections of the

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Bible where where the the mountains sing

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and their and their clap their hands and

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the rivers laugh and if you're gonna

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take the shape for the earth literally

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you have to take everything else

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literally and it's clear that there are

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sections in the Bible where the language

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is poetic and I think we just have to be

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discerning enough to understand that

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that's what God was trying to

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communicate spiritual truth not

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necessarily high level physics and

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mathematics one of the more famous

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quotes from Jesus and the Gospels is

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you know I give to Caesar what is

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Caesar's and give to God what is God's

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is it or at least shouldn't that the

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correct attitude be you know give to

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science what is science yeah I suppose

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you could you could say that I mean

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science has its place I think where we

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have overstepped in our Western

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civilization over the last couple

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hundred years is that we believe that

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science can determine truth and I think

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that's that is a that's a serious

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mistake because science as we have been

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taught in our school system claims that

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to anything that we can't physically

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observe with our flawed and limited

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human senses doesn't really exist and we

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know that that premise is untrue because

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you cannot see a thought you cannot see

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or measure an emotion but we know those

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are real and yet we say you know if we

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physically cannot see measure quantify

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this invisible God that you're speaking

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of then he cannot possibly exist well

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okay you can think that if you want but

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we've got I witness testimony of the

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Apostles in the New Testament and I'll

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I'll go with that thank you yeah we've

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had enough scientists all we'd like to

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have more of course but you know when

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they get on and we start talking yeah

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you hear very quickly that I think

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there's a lot of misconception that

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regarding science and how it works and

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not much conflict there is within that

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field they might handle a little a

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little bit different than a lot of other

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folks but there's a lot of controversy

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in the field you know then they know

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that they don't have everything out well

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if they're honest and most scientists

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are and yeah they'll admit you know what

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we're putting out there today is what we

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know the best of what we know to be true

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today but you know every passing year

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turns up some new discovery that turns

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everything on his head the science is

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almost never settled there's a story at

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last week just go to story last week

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about research or experiments with the

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graphene which are those one molecule

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thick layers of carbon or one atom thick

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layers of carbon when they lay in a

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certain way

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they've discovered type of magnetism

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that's never been observed before in

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history okay

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well learn something new right right

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exactly exactly chant what have you got

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well I wanted to ask Derek well I have a

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few questions but I'll go ahead and

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start off with TTS a I wanted to ask

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Derek what is your general view of TTS a

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how far they've come if at all

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from the very beginning of where they

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started and how do you feel about the

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Adam project they have apparently TTS a

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is claiming that they may have had some

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results from testing on metamaterials an

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example of that is Lou Elizondo attended

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a conference at the SCU gathering I

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think it was at the beginning of this

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year and that's for the scientific

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coalition of UAP studies and when Lou

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was there it was a little frustrating

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for some folks that we've Frank and I

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both heard from a scientist and also

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from other folks who attended and that

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they were not able to find out any

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scientific data or reports to back up

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the claims that were being made by Lou

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at this conference and it's also

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frustrating for the UFO community and

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other communities worldwide to hear TTS

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a maybe not necessarily boasting but

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making claims that they have some kind

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of scientific data that they've gleaned

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from metamaterials but they have no

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scientific reports to back up those

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claims

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what is your world view of TTS a and how

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do you feel about what I just discussed

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well in in a word I guess I would

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we didn't win our book the day the earth

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standstill came out it was released

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literally two weeks after the New York

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Times broke the story on December 1st of

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2017 I guess it was December 16th of

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2017 okay yeah our book was released

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like about two weeks prior to that that

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coming

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so we didn't have anything on TTS a in

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the in the book itself well I I did

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write an article for the sky watch TV

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magazine a couple of months later and

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noted that the the team and again this

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is me being skeptical and just saying

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look we just need to realize that almost

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since the very beginning in 1947 of the

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modern UFO phenomenon the intelligence

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community in the United States and

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around the world has had a presence in

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shaping the narrative of what

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information is put out to the public and

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what we believe about the UFO phenomenon

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and if you look at the board of

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directors of T TSA there is a very heavy

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intelligence community presence now

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that's probably because these guys have

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a very you have very particular skill

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sets that would apply to be useful in

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researching this topic I get that but

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you know do these guys ever really leave

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the company I don't know do they is

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there a reason that when you go to their

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website at least my first year or so

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when I was tracking them pretty closely

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you haven't done so for a while now

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working on other projects but it seemed

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like the the very top of the website was

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you know invest invest invest is this is

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the thing that really trips my my seamer

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and that's that's a phrase a friend of

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mine Sam Miller gave me this summer is

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what goes off when you something just

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doesn't seem quite right my seamer went

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off when I saw that the story that they

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had put out there and they were

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interviewed about very frequently on a

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lot of mainstream media outlet they've

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gotten a lot of mainstream coverage in

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these Navy pilots who were chasing these

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these UAVs have you it's gotten more

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coverage in more mainstream outlets like

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CNN Fox News mainstream newspapers

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around the world then than most other

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UFO flaps that I can recall in my

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lifetime but the one that was the most

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prominent the most sensational which is

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the USS Nimitz incident really wasn't a

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secret when you start doing some digging

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find out that the

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video of this incident was available on

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YouTube several years earlier

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so why suddenly is it coming out now and

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being presented to us as though this is

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something brand-new that the government

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was just compelled to release when this

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video from the the infrared was of the

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forward-looking infrared radar the FLIR

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cameras had been available on YouTube

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for years so it seems to me that this is

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a for-profit venture which okay that's

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all well and good you know I'm all in

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favor people using their talents and

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abilities and knowledge to to put bread

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on the table that's what I do but I

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don't think we're chasing something new

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okay those are those craft are behaving

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in ways that clearly is something

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unknown moving a lot faster than

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anything we have in our arsenal because

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if I recall correctly the speed at which

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the f-18 pilots saw that craft move on

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radar was something like double the top

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speed of the the sr-71 if I remember

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right but that doesn't necessarily mean

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it's extraterrestrial it just means we

547
00:24:38,370 --> 00:24:36,490
haven't identified it and that's the

548
00:24:40,890 --> 00:24:38,380
that's the question and that's the these

549
00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:40,900
little skeptical bit that many seem to

550
00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:42,670
forget just because these pilots don't

551
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:45,510
know what it is and yes they are

552
00:24:52,170 --> 00:24:49,090
professionals and they are reliable

553
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,180
observers but it doesn't mean it isn't a

554
00:24:56,370 --> 00:24:55,120
secret program of secret program inside

555
00:24:58,110 --> 00:24:56,380
the Pentagon it could be a secret

556
00:25:00,450 --> 00:24:58,120
Chinese program could be a secret

557
00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:00,460
Russian program it doesn't necessarily

558
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:02,350
follow that just because the f-18 pilots

559
00:25:07,650 --> 00:25:04,330
couldn't identify it that it must be

560
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:07,660
from offworld yes by the way I don't I'm

561
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:09,130
sorry to interject but that's exactly

562
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:11,890
what a scientist said last the last

563
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:14,170
interview we had Kevin connotes that it

564
00:25:20,610 --> 00:25:19,450
could be everything you said well glad

565
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:20,620
to hear that somebody who actually knows

566
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,990
science because that's not me that's my

567
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,600
wife's bailiwick but yeah just being a

568
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:27,760
skeptical observer and maybe that comes

569
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:30,130
from 20 years in professional sales you

570
00:25:32,790 --> 00:25:31,330
know I started out as a professional

571
00:25:34,530 --> 00:25:32,800
broadcaster but then realized it was a

572
00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:34,540
lousy way to you know raise raise

573
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:35,470
children

574
00:25:41,550 --> 00:25:38,530
so got out of that went into sales for a

575
00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:41,560
while and learned to be a little more

576
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:43,990
skeptical of people maybe that was good

577
00:25:49,410 --> 00:25:47,110
training now again maybe these guys are

578
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:49,420
sincere and maybe these they're on the

579
00:25:54,510 --> 00:25:51,630
up-and-up I just think it's interesting

580
00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:54,520
that mr. Elizondo you know quit his job

581
00:25:59,540 --> 00:25:56,830
with the defense department a couple of

582
00:26:01,860 --> 00:25:59,550
months before this story went public

583
00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:01,870
about the nimitz incident but again the

584
00:26:07,380 --> 00:26:03,820
nimitz incident for people who are

585
00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:07,390
really really digging into the the

586
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:10,390
research of the UFO phenomenon they'd

587
00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:11,770
known about that they'd seen the video

588
00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:15,280
out there on various websites for I'm

589
00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:17,320
gonna rack my brain now it's been a year

590
00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:18,550
and a half since I wrote that article I

591
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:19,750
think there the video has been out there

592
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:22,210
since 2007 if I'm not mistaken yeah it

593
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:25,570
came out fairly early so I mean not long

594
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,170
after the 2004 incident but a couple

595
00:26:32,430 --> 00:26:30,880
things I will say that that gets my

596
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:32,440
attention is we've had some of those

597
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:34,390
witnesses on from the Princeton and the

598
00:26:40,620 --> 00:26:37,140
Nimitz we've talked to ourselves and

599
00:26:43,410 --> 00:26:40,630
those guys you know they've they're not

600
00:26:44,610 --> 00:26:43,420
UFO buffs like like we are you know so a

601
00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:44,620
lot of the things that they're

602
00:26:48,270 --> 00:26:46,540
describing are things that we've been

603
00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:48,280
hearing stories about you know going

604
00:26:53,490 --> 00:26:50,620
back to the 40s and 50s that case is not

605
00:26:55,860 --> 00:26:53,500
similar you know Here I am Here I am and

606
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:55,870
then all of a sudden a plane goes out to

607
00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:57,490
do an intercept and then they're gone

608
00:27:00,510 --> 00:26:58,810
like that you know

609
00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:00,520
so whether that's kind of the same

610
00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:01,960
behavior that's been going on the better

611
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,950
part of the 75 years mm-hmm one of the

612
00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:07,600
things I appreciate about Josh Peck was

613
00:27:11,070 --> 00:27:08,800
my co-author of the day the earth

614
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:11,080
standstill is that he's got a better

615
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:13,090
understanding of physics and quantum

616
00:27:17,910 --> 00:27:16,450
physics than I do yeah and the funny

617
00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:17,920
thing is he's an autodidact he's

618
00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:19,480
basically taught himself you know wasn't

619
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:21,190
really that great in school but suddenly

620
00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:22,930
he develops and realizes he's got this

621
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:27,220
gift for understanding weird I got a

622
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:29,710
c-minus in in college physics and I

623
00:27:34,170 --> 00:27:32,290
decided okay that was not my path I can

624
00:27:36,150 --> 00:27:34,180
I can talk for a living and get by a lot

625
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:36,160
better than trying to actually do do

626
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,860
calculus or computations and and whatnot

627
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,720
Josh can actually understand and explain

628
00:27:43,890 --> 00:27:42,640
stuff but he's pointed out more than

629
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:43,900
once and I think he's onto something

630
00:27:48,690 --> 00:27:46,450
here that the behavior and I believe

631
00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:48,700
that this is a position

632
00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:51,100
you also held by a jacques valet among

633
00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:53,380
others that the behavior of these craft

634
00:27:58,620 --> 00:27:54,940
that are doing things that appear to

635
00:28:00,840 --> 00:27:58,630
violate the laws of physics are actually

636
00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:00,850
moving between dimensions or could be

637
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:02,560
let's let's put it that way could be

638
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:04,750
moving between dimensions rather than

639
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:10,060
just violating physics and that as we

640
00:28:13,710 --> 00:28:11,920
understand it because if we can only

641
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:13,720
perceive three spatial dimensions and

642
00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:15,130
you've got something that's moving in

643
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:17,470
four or eleven

644
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:21,250
we're like in that old book flatland the

645
00:28:25,890 --> 00:28:23,770
two dimensional shapes the triangles

646
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:25,900
squares circles whatever trying to

647
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:27,910
comprehend a three-dimensional shape

648
00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:31,600
like a pencil moving through their plane

649
00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:35,260
that they can perceive or better example

650
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:37,060
like five fingers in a hand moving

651
00:28:40,890 --> 00:28:38,650
through the plane if you if you imagine

652
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:40,900
the two-dimensional creature as a circle

653
00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:43,180
or a square on a page only seeing the

654
00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:44,500
line in front of them and trying to

655
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,120
figure out okay is that up is that a

656
00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:48,880
corner is that a is that an arc I don't

657
00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:50,380
know what quite what that is then

658
00:28:53,730 --> 00:28:51,940
suddenly you see five of them appear

659
00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:53,740
like when a hand goes through the plane

660
00:28:57,780 --> 00:28:55,870
that they can perceive and then all of a

661
00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:57,790
sudden they merge into one big shape

662
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:00,250
well as as the hand moves through that

663
00:29:03,330 --> 00:29:01,930
plane that's what they would see because

664
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:03,340
they cannot conceive of a third

665
00:29:09,390 --> 00:29:06,550
dimension they see width and length but

666
00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:09,400
they don't see height that might be

667
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:11,620
similar to what we're perceiving with

668
00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:14,320
these unidentified craft something

669
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:16,360
moving in and out or through our

670
00:29:21,570 --> 00:29:18,730
dimension and we're only seeing a part

671
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:21,580
of the whole okay I wanted to bring up a

672
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:22,870
few things with you I'll go ahead and

673
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:24,730
start with the first one and that is did

674
00:29:30,210 --> 00:29:26,290
you get the opportunity to actually

675
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:30,220
check out the Nimitz Carrier Strike

676
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:34,000
Group a documentary called the Nimitz

677
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:37,330
Encounters by Dave cbiit Beatty and it's

678
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:39,370
considered one of the best documentaries

679
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:41,830
ever covering the topic of the tic-tac

680
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,110
object did you get a chance to check

681
00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:47,200
that out Dirk I have not I did read the

682
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:49,720
interviews published with the the pilots

683
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:51,820
who witnessed the event and some of the

684
00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:53,410
other accounts from the men on the

685
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:55,060
Princeton and on the Nimitz and I will

686
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:56,050
say I don't think they're making

687
00:30:01,290 --> 00:29:57,490
anything up I think they did see what

688
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:01,300
they say they saw clearly yeah man

689
00:30:04,460 --> 00:30:02,410
clearly the can

690
00:30:06,990 --> 00:30:04,470
footage from the f-18s was compelling

691
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,000
yeah we did I'm certain to have a nerve

692
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:10,000
to do we and by the way please interrupt

693
00:30:13,020 --> 00:30:11,650
me at any time because this interviews

694
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:13,030
about you okay

695
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:15,130
we did actually have the privilege of

696
00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:17,890
interviewing two gentlemen from the USS

697
00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:20,230
Princeton and the USS two gentlemen from

698
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:22,840
the USS Nimitz and Frankie already knows

699
00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:23,890
what I'm gonna bring up here but I

700
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,660
wanted to ask surely ask you this

701
00:30:31,290 --> 00:30:28,000
question the same question I asked the

702
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:31,300
same group of gentlemen and that was do

703
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:34,090
you believe it what I asked them that

704
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:36,090
this craft that they witnessed was a

705
00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:39,310
derived from et technology or was it one

706
00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:42,070
of ours and oddly enough I think Frank

707
00:30:47,370 --> 00:30:45,160
knows it was Gary bore he's from the USS

708
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:47,380
Princeton said he believed it was one of

709
00:30:54,270 --> 00:30:51,210
ours what is your thought on that well

710
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:54,280
it's certainly a possibility like I said

711
00:30:57,330 --> 00:30:55,690
this is what the thing that Josh and I

712
00:30:58,770 --> 00:30:57,340
talked about once this story broke and

713
00:31:00,030 --> 00:30:58,780
we're like yeah we wish we'd held the

714
00:31:02,540 --> 00:31:00,040
book for another couple of months so we

715
00:31:04,650 --> 00:31:02,550
could have addressed it in the book but

716
00:31:06,750 --> 00:31:04,660
that's the thing is just because we

717
00:31:10,260 --> 00:31:06,760
don't know what it is doesn't mean it's

718
00:31:12,990 --> 00:31:10,270
not from this earth so it could be some

719
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:13,000
sort of surveillance drone that the

720
00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:15,070
Pentagon doesn't feel that the f-18

721
00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:17,740
pilots and the radar operators on the

722
00:31:22,170 --> 00:31:19,180
Nimitz and Princeton needed to know

723
00:31:24,150 --> 00:31:22,180
about on the other hand this is more

724
00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:24,160
disturbing and this is why I'm actually

725
00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:26,950
in favor of the Pentagon continuing to

726
00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:28,780
investigate accounts of unidentified

727
00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:30,790
craft if this is Russian or Chinese or

728
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:32,440
belonging to some other terrestrial

729
00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:34,450
government we really ought to figure out

730
00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:36,160
what it is and how they're doing it yeah

731
00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:37,720
and I wanted to bring up something kind

732
00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:39,700
of interesting to you first I do want to

733
00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:41,230
tell everybody when you get an

734
00:31:47,370 --> 00:31:44,200
opportunity please do check out that

735
00:31:49,670 --> 00:31:47,380
wonderful USS Nimitz documentary Dave C

736
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:49,680
Beatty did he worked very hard on it and

737
00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:52,960
I would be surprised if he's been being

738
00:31:57,090 --> 00:31:54,580
considered as a researcher of the year

739
00:32:00,000 --> 00:31:57,100
regarding it it's I don't think it's

740
00:32:01,230 --> 00:32:00,010
available on anyone anymore I did check

741
00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:01,240
I don't see it there it looks

742
00:32:06,150 --> 00:32:03,280
unavailable but please do check audience

743
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,160
anyway check on amazon and also do check

744
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:08,320
on youtube because dave c made he does

745
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:10,540
have that on his channel we've got it

746
00:32:16,380 --> 00:32:11,910
right at our channel too

747
00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:16,390
yes wanted to bring up to you

748
00:32:24,030 --> 00:32:20,980
that Kevin Kenneth the scientist he's

749
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:24,040
also professor he said that it wouldn't

750
00:32:30,810 --> 00:32:28,210
be beyond his ability to fathom that the

751
00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:30,820
government a different faction of the

752
00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:33,670
government a different agency may have a

753
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:38,070
covert program possibly regarding an

754
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:40,930
anomalous vehicle or anomalous seemingly

755
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:44,190
anomalous vehicle that can travel at

756
00:32:51,780 --> 00:32:49,090
very high speeds and not be that agency

757
00:32:54,510 --> 00:32:51,790
not be communicating with maybe the

758
00:32:59,010 --> 00:32:54,520
military to let them know when they're

759
00:33:01,200 --> 00:32:59,020
going to use that vehicle so that in

760
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:01,210
that sense that's why it may look

761
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:04,810
anomalous to pilots or to folks on ships

762
00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:07,450
in the military when they actually see

763
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:10,030
these objects traversing the sky what

764
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:13,210
are your thoughts on that well there are

765
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:16,450
plenty of examples in the past but one

766
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:17,950
branch of government and one branch of

767
00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:19,500
the military working on projects that

768
00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:23,140
were classified at a level that the guys

769
00:33:29,490 --> 00:33:27,160
were actually out on duty just we have

770
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:29,500
no no way of knowing about so yeah I

771
00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:30,970
certainly think it's possible that this

772
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:33,640
is something that was being worked on as

773
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,290
a secret program and just happened to

774
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,480
wander into an area where we had planes

775
00:33:46,770 --> 00:33:43,120
on patrol and and and so we're I'm

776
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:46,780
leading this conversation is that you

777
00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:50,290
actually tied in the possibility that

778
00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:53,590
Lou may have left the Pentagon program

779
00:34:01,650 --> 00:33:55,960
that he claims to have been head of the

780
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:01,660
UFO Pentagon program that studied you a

781
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:05,290
piece is what they call it and actually

782
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:07,450
left during the time that this tik tak

783
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,490
occurred isn't that right so I'm

784
00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:12,159
wondering if maybe we did have a secret

785
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:15,790
program going on you know if you're

786
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:17,050
right I'm wondering if you're right

787
00:34:22,380 --> 00:34:19,929
about that well you know we can only

788
00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:22,390
speculate yeah I don't have any secret

789
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,600
sources but again and if this was taking

790
00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:28,000
place in 2004 again the video was leaked

791
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:30,070
by somebody to the Internet

792
00:34:36,930 --> 00:34:33,970
between 2004 and 2017 when it was

793
00:34:39,090 --> 00:34:36,940
finally made public or publicized shall

794
00:34:42,150 --> 00:34:39,100
we say with some very friendly authors

795
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,160
who were able to get interviews with the

796
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:45,040
pilots and with mr. Elizondo into the

797
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:46,930
New York Times and in front of major

798
00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:50,110
news outlets which gave a real nice

799
00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:53,260
boost of popularity or publicity I

800
00:34:58,290 --> 00:34:56,260
should say to the TTS a Tom DeLonge

801
00:35:01,200 --> 00:34:58,300
scroop again you know I don't begrudge

802
00:35:03,930 --> 00:35:01,210
them trying to make a living

803
00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:03,940
and I hope they're being aboveboard and

804
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:05,470
maybe just being a little clumsy at web

805
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:06,910
may or may be there are good reasons for

806
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:08,710
them not to release what information

807
00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:10,090
they have maybe they've stumbled onto a

808
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:12,520
piece of material that somebody inside

809
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:13,870
the government still with the government

810
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,690
is saying we cannot let that information

811
00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:17,920
out because that's something that the

812
00:35:22,350 --> 00:35:20,590
Russians and Chinese don't have so there

813
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:22,360
could be a number of reasons why they've

814
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:24,730
not been as forthcoming as others in the

815
00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:26,950
community would like I don't want to

816
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:29,500
ascribe evil motives to them but again I

817
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:32,650
just might my skeptical side my seamer

818
00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:35,130
just looks at the number of folks

819
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:38,020
involved with projects in the

820
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:39,610
intelligence community a doctor he'll

821
00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:43,090
put off for example who was oh gosh

822
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:45,460
Stanford Research Institute and I'm not

823
00:35:47,820 --> 00:35:46,270
going to remember the name of the

824
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:47,830
programs that he was with back in the

825
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:50,650
day but remote viewing program yes yes

826
00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:53,200
that's the one that's the one there were

827
00:35:59,220 --> 00:35:55,300
many names regarding the remote viewing

828
00:36:01,200 --> 00:35:59,230
okay right so just just being aware that

829
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:01,210
that this is that this is the background

830
00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:02,890
and that again that the intelligence

831
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:04,390
community right from the very beginning

832
00:36:10,830 --> 00:36:07,110
in 1947 beginning with Kenneth Arnold

833
00:36:12,510 --> 00:36:10,840
have tried to steer the the the release

834
00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:12,520
of information in a specific direction

835
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:15,100
or in certain directions I'm just

836
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:18,930
wondering if this is really about

837
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:23,010
disclosure or if this is about producing

838
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,450
compelling new television program or if

839
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:27,280
this is about the intelligence community

840
00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:29,410
doing what it always does which is

841
00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:32,350
directing the narrative write an agenda

842
00:36:37,290 --> 00:36:34,360
so to speak I did want to mention that

843
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:37,300
TTS a was formed in 2017 as a public

844
00:36:41,110 --> 00:36:40,210
benefit corporation aware as you know

845
00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:41,120
Derek

846
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:43,840
and Frank knows that it requires

847
00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:46,640
shareholders to keep it going along with

848
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:51,260
products and so having a TV show is not

849
00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:52,730
out of the realm of possibility of

850
00:36:55,810 --> 00:36:53,660
course that's something they would

851
00:36:57,730 --> 00:36:55,820
pursue and then any kind of disclosure

852
00:36:59,740 --> 00:36:57,740
they have to share about metamaterials

853
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,750
it might be planned in an agenda like

854
00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:02,000
way which would not be surprising since

855
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:03,160
they are public benefit corporation

856
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,770
wanted to ask you Derek about something

857
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:08,480
interesting and that is you mentioned

858
00:37:15,370 --> 00:37:11,510
the Institute of noetic science and how

859
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:15,380
Edgar Mitchell was part of that starting

860
00:37:20,850 --> 00:37:17,690
that organization and then we move on to

861
00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:20,860
Edgar Mitchell's free organization and

862
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:24,140
this organization does not believe in

863
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:27,680
the materialistic aspect of ufology do

864
00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:28,850
you know anything about this

865
00:37:33,610 --> 00:37:32,360
organization at all the the second

866
00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:33,620
organization that dr. Mitchell was

867
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:36,920
involved with it's free and it's an

868
00:37:42,430 --> 00:37:39,410
experience or a research organization

869
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:42,440
and they study the paranormal and

870
00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:44,930
psychic aspects of the phenomenon and

871
00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:46,520
they're deeply involved in the

872
00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:48,380
consciousness aspect which is no

873
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:50,060
surprise since Edgar Mitchell was

874
00:37:54,970 --> 00:37:51,530
involved with creating the noetic

875
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:54,980
science no etiqa Institute of noetic

876
00:38:01,620 --> 00:37:57,680
science I wanted to ask you do you feel

877
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:01,630
like there is a connection between

878
00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:05,630
consciousness and the topic of ufology I

879
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:07,750
would like to share one example with you

880
00:38:15,130 --> 00:38:11,210
Betty and Barney Hill part of their

881
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:15,140
story Barney Hill was claiming that the

882
00:38:20,050 --> 00:38:17,690
ETS were communicating with him

883
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:20,060
telepathically there's an instance of

884
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,450
consciousness and the topic of ufology

885
00:38:29,830 --> 00:38:25,760
what are your thoughts on something like

886
00:38:31,570 --> 00:38:29,840
that well I'm not surprised that yeah

887
00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:31,580
and again in that sense that's that's

888
00:38:35,650 --> 00:38:34,040
kind of how I thought that the the term

889
00:38:38,830 --> 00:38:35,660
is being used and I do recall that the

890
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:38,840
TTS a had that as one area of future

891
00:38:42,910 --> 00:38:40,610
research consciousness which which again

892
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:42,920
I have to wonder if this is really about

893
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:45,650
how these entities cross the galaxy here

894
00:38:50,020 --> 00:38:47,690
why are we looking at the the subject of

895
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:50,030
consciousness because that's spiritual

896
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:51,680
language we're looking at spiritual

897
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:54,650
insight rather than technological in

898
00:39:01,680 --> 00:38:59,119
or science that might help us you deal

899
00:39:04,749 --> 00:39:01,690
with with our need for energy for

900
00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:04,759
desalination for areas that are short of

901
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:07,160
water and so forth of why are we

902
00:39:14,319 --> 00:39:09,710
interested in consciousness and this

903
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:14,329
spiritual side of the question not

904
00:39:19,059 --> 00:39:16,130
familiar with dr. Mitchell's work in

905
00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:19,069
that regard Josh actually wrote a

906
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:20,990
section of the book that took that

907
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:24,650
looked more deeply at dr. Mitchell but I

908
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:27,970
will say this I am aware of the work of

909
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:31,849
people who work with contactees with

910
00:39:37,630 --> 00:39:34,880
experiencers and I can tell you that

911
00:39:40,749 --> 00:39:37,640
based on their research and their

912
00:39:42,460 --> 00:39:40,759
experience in this field people who

913
00:39:45,279 --> 00:39:42,470
believe they're being contacted by or

914
00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:45,289
even abducted by what they thought were

915
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:47,390
extraterrestrials come to find out that

916
00:39:52,450 --> 00:39:49,970
it is at its core and this is the reason

917
00:39:55,779 --> 00:39:52,460
Josh and I wrote the book a spiritual or

918
00:39:58,420 --> 00:39:55,789
supernatural phenomenon now a you had

919
00:40:01,420 --> 00:39:58,430
mentioned 1947 and I'm kind of glad you

920
00:40:03,549 --> 00:40:01,430
did that because what we've been hearing

921
00:40:06,249 --> 00:40:03,559
in the UFO community is one of the main

922
00:40:08,529 --> 00:40:06,259
reasons for this UFO cover-up is the

923
00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:08,539
feeling at least among the people that

924
00:40:12,609 --> 00:40:10,220
are holding on to this information is

925
00:40:15,309 --> 00:40:12,619
that if it got out it would be very

926
00:40:16,930 --> 00:40:15,319
damaging to religion I personally don't

927
00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:16,940
feel that would be the case but I was

928
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:18,430
wondering if you had any thoughts on it

929
00:40:23,979 --> 00:40:22,130
well yeah and I give credit to a friend

930
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:23,989
of ours who's a respected ufologist dr.

931
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:27,890
Michael Heizer he's he's one of those

932
00:40:31,749 --> 00:40:29,690
guys who's so intelligent that he can

933
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:31,759
actually put scholar in residence on his

934
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:33,890
business card and it's not you know made

935
00:40:39,220 --> 00:40:34,930
up

936
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:39,230
he is a theologian a respected Bible

937
00:40:46,809 --> 00:40:40,960
scholar but he's also a pretty

938
00:40:49,450 --> 00:40:46,819
well-respected ufologist and he explains

939
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:49,460
it this way and I think he's right we

940
00:40:58,539 --> 00:40:54,400
are open to the possibility of life in

941
00:41:02,349 --> 00:40:58,549
the cosmos life elsewhere in the cosmos

942
00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:02,359
personally I think if if life did exist

943
00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:05,630
elsewhere God would probably have told

944
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:07,220
us about it so that we would be prepared

945
00:41:11,620 --> 00:41:08,450
if and when

946
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:11,630
that happened but Mike points out that

947
00:41:17,859 --> 00:41:13,910
the verse in Genesis that's pointed to

948
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:17,869
as one that could be a problem for

949
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:20,450
people who would get freaked out if a

950
00:41:26,589 --> 00:41:23,210
UFO landed on the White House lawn is

951
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:26,599
actually only a problem if you're

952
00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:29,510
looking at the the English and not

953
00:41:35,319 --> 00:41:32,420
understanding the Hebrew behind it this

954
00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:35,329
is of course we're God in Genesis 2

955
00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:37,550
talks about God rather in Genesis

956
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:40,430
chapter 1 verse 27 talks about creating

957
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:42,170
man in our image

958
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:45,170
verse 26 27 God said let us make man in

959
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:49,369
our image after our likeness it's

960
00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:51,910
assumed if you just read the English and

961
00:42:00,609 --> 00:41:57,670
take it at that that God must be a biped

962
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:00,619
about you know six feet tall give or

963
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:03,890
take with 10 fingers 10 toes etc and

964
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:05,030
that's not really what the underlying

965
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:08,869
Hebrew means what the Hebrew actually

966
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:13,849
means God created man as his imager in

967
00:42:18,339 --> 00:42:16,130
other words we are God's image bearers

968
00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:18,349
on earth we are his moral agents on

969
00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:23,150
earth God gave to Noah and then to Moses

970
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:24,950
so then to you know the prophets and the

971
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:27,050
apostles and then send his own son to

972
00:42:32,260 --> 00:42:30,170
tell us okay this is what God wants from

973
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:32,270
you love God and then love your

974
00:42:38,829 --> 00:42:35,089
neighbors you love yourself and then

975
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,839
certain standards of morality and we are

976
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:40,880
supposed to serve as his stewards as

977
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:42,710
caretakers essentially over this planet

978
00:42:50,609 --> 00:42:46,880
we again his image bearers not we were

979
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:50,619
created to look like what he looks like

980
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:52,730
obviously if we were created in His

981
00:42:59,079 --> 00:42:56,810
image and a tentacled creature from Zeta

982
00:43:00,250 --> 00:42:59,089
Reticuli or whatever were to show up on

983
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,260
the White House lawn yeah that could be

984
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:02,720
problematic okay in whose image is that

985
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,290
thing created but if you understand that

986
00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:08,480
what God meant in Genesis is that we've

987
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:10,280
been created as His image bearer on

988
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:12,770
earth his moral agent on earth then that

989
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:18,560
status does not change if a genuine

990
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:21,780
extraterrestrial were to suddenly land

991
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:23,370
announces presence or its presence to

992
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:27,060
the world and that is not an uncommon

993
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:30,330
problem in biblical study where the

994
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:32,520
ancient Hebrew doesn't necessarily

995
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:34,200
translate over that all that cleanly

996
00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:38,610
into modern English in a way I'm kind of

997
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:40,080
glad it doesn't cuz I've got you know

998
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:45,210
three books out that basic with issues

999
00:43:52,190 --> 00:43:47,730
that are created by the English I wanted

1000
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:52,200
to just let everybody know that chase

1001
00:43:59,120 --> 00:43:55,370
klutz key who's also a good friend Frank

1002
00:44:01,400 --> 00:43:59,130
and mine I just actually she and I text

1003
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:01,410
each other on her regular I just talked

1004
00:44:09,140 --> 00:44:06,660
to her today she just she yes she just

1005
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:09,150
went on to my timeline because I posted

1006
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:11,910
a link to the show so everybody could

1007
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:16,380
join us and she said this I will be with

1008
00:44:21,140 --> 00:44:19,290
him and his wife and Branson great guest

1009
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:21,150
and then she said the name of the

1010
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:22,920
conference that she I don't want to say

1011
00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:25,530
it incorrectly is it Gen 6 or is that

1012
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:29,550
the name of the conference it's it's

1013
00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:31,260
called the true legends conference and

1014
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:33,600
the group phase that is producing the

1015
00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:36,210
conference is called Gen six conferences

1016
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,990
jet six productions yes and she said Gen

1017
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:42,000
6 sells out three thousand seats every

1018
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:45,960
year and as many something subscribers

1019
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:48,900
and and let's go and then she said by

1020
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:50,250
the way there are less than a hundred

1021
00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:53,490
tickets left for this event this is my

1022
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:55,950
Timothy and in a quest at that I spend

1023
00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:59,040
months in within Peru and the Amazon so

1024
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:01,740
I think she's so wonderful I we actually

1025
00:45:08,060 --> 00:45:05,850
really love spending Sharon and I really

1026
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:08,070
enjoyed getting to meet and talk with

1027
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:10,020
Chase and her husband at the conference

1028
00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:11,730
last year which was the conference on

1029
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:14,550
transhumanism the year before we dealt

1030
00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:15,930
with the subject of giants and that's

1031
00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:19,590
the one I spoke at but they were

1032
00:45:22,610 --> 00:45:21,270
gracious enough to ask me to serve as

1033
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,620
the emcee for this event so I'll be able

1034
00:45:27,110 --> 00:45:25,440
to so I will introduce chase in front of

1035
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:27,120
the 3,000 seat theater it's at the

1036
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:28,710
mansion theater in Branson it's a

1037
00:45:33,590 --> 00:45:31,290
wonderful venue a great facility that

1038
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,600
hosts a lot of big-name groups

1039
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:35,040
generally Nashville type groups who come

1040
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:37,170
through Branson but it's a it's a great

1041
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,040
theater and it's in a great town and we

1042
00:45:46,310 --> 00:45:44,160
found over the last couple of years with

1043
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,320
the mix that that Steve quale and his

1044
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:48,800
team put together for Jan six of

1045
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:51,570
Christians and Steve is enough you know

1046
00:45:55,610 --> 00:45:53,850
he's an unabashed Christian he's not

1047
00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:55,620
ashamed or afraid to tell people what he

1048
00:46:00,260 --> 00:45:57,510
thinks and what he believes but bringing

1049
00:46:01,870 --> 00:46:00,270
in more secular views like last year

1050
00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:01,880
Richard Dolan was one of the speakers

1051
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:05,820
professor Hugo de garis this year George

1052
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:07,410
Knapp the investigative journalist will

1053
00:46:11,780 --> 00:46:08,460
be one of the speakers at this

1054
00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:11,790
conference it's at September 13th

1055
00:46:16,610 --> 00:46:14,190
through 15th and as chase mentioned and

1056
00:46:17,810 --> 00:46:16,620
I'd heard this from the man on the

1057
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,820
ground here

1058
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:20,160
Darren Geisinger just the other day so

1059
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:21,960
she's your information is correct it's

1060
00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:23,880
it's not not many more than a hundred

1061
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:25,980
tickets if that left so if people are

1062
00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:28,380
interested in this event they should

1063
00:46:31,610 --> 00:46:29,580
they should act quickly

1064
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:31,620
la Marzulli who's a regular guest on

1065
00:46:35,570 --> 00:46:33,540
coast to coast am one of the speakers of

1066
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:35,580
course Steve will speak Timothy albariño

1067
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:38,880
as chase mentioned who is an incredible

1068
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:42,510
incredible young man he is as close to

1069
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:45,210
Indiana Jones as I think we've got in

1070
00:46:49,850 --> 00:46:47,220
the world today going out into places

1071
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:49,860
like Peru we had the opportunity to go

1072
00:46:56,810 --> 00:46:54,180
to Sardinia with Tim and the team last

1073
00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:56,820
year to look at megalithic sites a big

1074
00:47:00,500 --> 00:46:59,130
stone ziggurat on Sardinia that's not

1075
00:47:03,380 --> 00:47:00,510
supposed to be there according to the

1076
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:03,390
official histories so it's it's an

1077
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,210
incredible group an incredible group of

1078
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:07,680
speakers that are coming together to

1079
00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:09,690
address this from a variety of

1080
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:12,270
perspectives and again you know I'll say

1081
00:47:18,110 --> 00:47:15,330
that theology of Christians if we

1082
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,120
understand those verses in Genesis 1:26

1083
00:47:22,850 --> 00:47:20,640
and 27 correctly that we're not created

1084
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:22,860
to look like God but we are created to

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00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:25,290
serve as His image bearers his standard

1086
00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:28,410
bearers if you will on earth then it

1087
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:30,750
doesn't matter if a you know a giant

1088
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:33,210
squid thing comes out of a spacecraft

1089
00:47:38,090 --> 00:47:35,490
and on the you you know in front of the

1090
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:38,100
United Nations our status as God's image

1091
00:47:45,260 --> 00:47:43,710
bearers is not affected at all I said

1092
00:47:47,549 --> 00:47:45,270
that I will I will add one thing and

1093
00:47:49,650 --> 00:47:47,559
that is I don't we have yet seen any

1094
00:47:51,799 --> 00:47:49,660
compelling evidence to suggest that we

1095
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:51,809
are in fact being visited by creatures

1096
00:47:57,660 --> 00:47:55,209
from other worlds extraterrestrial

1097
00:48:01,199 --> 00:47:57,670
visitors I do believe the earth has been

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00:48:03,329 --> 00:48:01,209
visited by non-human entities since the

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00:48:06,359 --> 00:48:03,339
beginning of creation mm-hmm time

1100
00:48:08,729 --> 00:48:06,369
immemorial I wanted to ask you whether

1101
00:48:10,829 --> 00:48:08,739
we can know the exact day these

1102
00:48:14,219 --> 00:48:10,839
otherworldly beings will return as it

1103
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:14,229
says under this summary of your book is

1104
00:48:21,929 --> 00:48:20,559
that possible well we can get a we can

1105
00:48:22,650 --> 00:48:21,939
get clues I think that we're getting

1106
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:22,660
close

1107
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:26,049
Josh and I don't set dates as far as

1108
00:48:30,929 --> 00:48:28,420
when everything is going to go to to

1109
00:48:32,939 --> 00:48:30,939
hell but the Bible tells us that that

1110
00:48:35,179 --> 00:48:32,949
day is coming and I think if we just

1111
00:48:37,019 --> 00:48:35,189
look at the headlines around us and

1112
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:37,029
regardless of where you fall on the

1113
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:38,890
political spectrum I think we can agree

1114
00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:40,209
that things aren't as good as we would

1115
00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:43,630
like them to be and that we're looking

1116
00:48:46,769 --> 00:48:45,369
forward to that day when things are made

1117
00:48:48,809 --> 00:48:46,779
a whole lot better

1118
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:48,819
what I what we did find Josh and I in

1119
00:48:52,289 --> 00:48:50,890
the book the day the earth stands still

1120
00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:52,299
is that there's an interesting parallel

1121
00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:55,900
between Bible prophecy and what some in

1122
00:49:04,769 --> 00:49:01,619
the UFO community are hoping will happen

1123
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:04,779
in the very first two verses of Genesis

1124
00:49:10,229 --> 00:49:08,650
Genesis 1 verse 2 we read that the earth

1125
00:49:11,999 --> 00:49:10,239
was without form and void and darkness

1126
00:49:13,919 --> 00:49:12,009
was over the face of the deep and the

1127
00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:13,929
Spirit of God was hovering over the face

1128
00:49:19,229 --> 00:49:15,640
of the waters well the word translated

1129
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:19,239
deep from the Hebrew is a Hebrew word to

1130
00:49:23,099 --> 00:49:21,249
home which is a cognate you know same

1131
00:49:25,289 --> 00:49:23,109
word different language from an Akkadian

1132
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:25,299
word Tim tomb which in turn is a cognate

1133
00:49:29,789 --> 00:49:28,329
for the Sumerian word Tiamat Tiamat was

1134
00:49:31,919 --> 00:49:29,799
the name of the chaos dragon the

1135
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:31,929
primordial chaos monster that had to be

1136
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:37,089
subdued for creation too to emerge and

1137
00:49:42,209 --> 00:49:39,670
in the Babylonian creation epic the

1138
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:42,219
anima Ailish their creator god Marduk

1139
00:49:46,859 --> 00:49:44,890
just you know slew the dragon Tiamat and

1140
00:49:50,099 --> 00:49:46,869
then created the the heavens and earth

1141
00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:50,109
from the her carcass but we see that

1142
00:49:55,229 --> 00:49:52,900
story over and over in other ancient

1143
00:49:56,789 --> 00:49:55,239
texts the the Canaanites believed that

1144
00:49:59,279 --> 00:49:56,799
their creator or their king of their

1145
00:50:01,460 --> 00:49:59,289
gods bail or Baal for you scholars out

1146
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:01,470
there defeated the chaos

1147
00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:04,290
monster represented by the sea called

1148
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:07,470
yam in Greek it was the their storm god

1149
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:09,750
Zeus who had to defeat the chaos monster

1150
00:50:15,859 --> 00:50:13,560
- and so it's a parallel that we see the

1151
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:15,869
ancient warrior God in an earth day had

1152
00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:17,910
to defeat a seven headed dragon it's

1153
00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:20,550
it's a even in in Norse mythology you

1154
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:23,339
see Thor had to defeat a dragon a chaos

1155
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:25,619
monster in the Bible it's called

1156
00:50:31,130 --> 00:50:29,400
Leviathan and we see it throughout the

1157
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:31,140
the Old Testament a few references here

1158
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:32,910
and there about how God crushed the

1159
00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:34,920
heads of Leviathan and gave its body for

1160
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:37,319
food in the desert but it's defeated

1161
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:40,380
it's not destroyed the the symbolism of

1162
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:45,119
the sea representing chaos is is there

1163
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:46,980
throughout the Old Testament but we

1164
00:50:54,109 --> 00:50:50,700
don't see the final destruction of this

1165
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:54,119
this chaos until Revelation 21 when

1166
00:50:59,180 --> 00:50:55,619
there's a new heaven and a new earth and

1167
00:51:01,490 --> 00:50:59,190
then you would assume that with a new

1168
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,500
earth that the Old Earth which includes

1169
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:03,440
everything on it including the Seas

1170
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:05,849
would be done away with but it's a

1171
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:08,460
separate line it says and the sea was no

1172
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,050
more so we believe that this this chaos

1173
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:15,359
entity or this this spirit that

1174
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:17,490
represents chaos or was the primordial

1175
00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:19,950
chaos that was subdued by God the

1176
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:21,720
creator of all things will not

1177
00:51:27,730 --> 00:51:24,390
ultimately be defeated until revelation

1178
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:27,740
now we shift over to the UFO community

1179
00:51:31,069 --> 00:51:29,700
there are those out there who believe

1180
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:31,079
that there is something coming from the

1181
00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:35,599
vicinity of the star Sirius and

1182
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:38,790
interestingly enough one of the devotees

1183
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:41,130
of the occultist Aleister Crowley who

1184
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:43,050
again we maintain in the book was a

1185
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:45,690
source of inspiration for HP Lovecraft

1186
00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:50,220
whose fiction was used as the source

1187
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,430
material for Erich von Daniken's

1188
00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:56,640
Chariots of the Gods a devotee of

1189
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,210
Crowley by the name of Kenneth grant

1190
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:02,160
developed Crowley's occult system into

1191
00:52:09,819 --> 00:52:04,650
what he called the Typhon Ian tradition

1192
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:09,829
or the the that the set serious current

1193
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:13,920
set being the Egyptian chaos God - being

1194
00:52:19,579 --> 00:52:14,940
the Greek Kay

1195
00:52:22,789 --> 00:52:19,589
God and grant believed that this chaos

1196
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:22,799
entity this dark God Dark Lord of chaos

1197
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:26,490
was on its way back to earth now is it a

1198
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:29,369
coincidence that the magical system that

1199
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,049
he developed and that other Crowley

1200
00:52:38,539 --> 00:52:33,920
devotees like Austin Osman spare

1201
00:52:41,059 --> 00:52:38,549
developed called chaos magic it is a

1202
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:41,069
growing following in the modern world

1203
00:52:47,180 --> 00:52:44,609
the the symbol of chaos magic the the

1204
00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:47,190
smiley face showing up in weird places

1205
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:49,380
like the the very popular Watchmen

1206
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:51,030
graphic novels and movies and now it's

1207
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,049
coming out as a series on Netflix and

1208
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:55,920
interestingly the search for

1209
00:53:01,400 --> 00:52:59,760
extraterrestrial intelligence SETI the

1210
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:01,410
acronym just happens to spell out the

1211
00:53:09,260 --> 00:53:04,859
Egyptian name that means man of set man

1212
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:09,270
of the chaos god that's the program with

1213
00:53:15,230 --> 00:53:10,890
which we're trying to make contact with

1214
00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:15,240
whatever is out there coincidence yeah

1215
00:53:23,329 --> 00:53:21,150
maybe it's probably fine but thank you I

1216
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:23,339
was going to ask you a little bit about

1217
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:26,730
the topic of transhumanism a topic that

1218
00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:29,849
your wife is an expert on I have a

1219
00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:31,859
personal question for you about that

1220
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:34,700
that might seem a little odd that is

1221
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:37,049
when your wife is talking to you about

1222
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:40,650
this topic does she ever express

1223
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:46,490
anything to you that you might find that

1224
00:53:52,279 --> 00:53:49,859
will lend that would give you help great

1225
00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:52,289
help in the area regarding your books

1226
00:53:56,839 --> 00:53:54,990
and also educating others about topics

1227
00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:56,849
that you love to talk about in other

1228
00:54:01,490 --> 00:53:58,859
words does she educate you regarding

1229
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:01,500
this topic or do you both study it

1230
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,710
together what is her role regarding the

1231
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:06,660
both of you and the topic of

1232
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:09,890
transhumanism well you know she's she's

1233
00:54:16,279 --> 00:54:13,020
educating me all the time her her

1234
00:54:19,010 --> 00:54:16,289
expertise is in molecular biology she

1235
00:54:20,839 --> 00:54:19,020
graduated with honors with a degree in

1236
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:20,849
molecular biology with an emphasis on

1237
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:23,880
genetics so she can understand the role

1238
00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:27,359
of DNA where you know I'm like okay I've

1239
00:54:30,980 --> 00:54:29,550
got the basic concept

1240
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:30,990
in the same sense that when I was

1241
00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:32,280
selling steel I could understand the

1242
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:33,990
basic concept of how the guys can use

1243
00:54:37,340 --> 00:54:35,640
steel plate and channel and beam to do

1244
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:37,350
this that and the other but don't ask me

1245
00:54:43,370 --> 00:54:41,400
to try to work the press break okay I'm

1246
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:43,380
not that guy I have a basic

1247
00:54:48,740 --> 00:54:46,740
understanding of what DNA does what and

1248
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:48,750
you know and various things but when she

1249
00:54:54,830 --> 00:54:51,780
starts talking about you know you know

1250
00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:54,840
the actual processes inside the cell

1251
00:55:01,760 --> 00:54:58,650
she loses me the smartest person I know

1252
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:01,770
III asked I'm sorry there must have been

1253
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:03,810
an echo there I asked because I wanted

1254
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:07,950
to know what is her perspective on the

1255
00:55:15,020 --> 00:55:10,650
topic of ufology and does her science

1256
00:55:18,020 --> 00:55:15,030
background ever clash with any any of

1257
00:55:19,940 --> 00:55:18,030
the perspectives you have about topics

1258
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:19,950
that you cover does it work seamlessly

1259
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:24,240
with it or is it an ever educational

1260
00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:26,460
quest together how does it work what are

1261
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:28,350
your roles as husband and wife regarding

1262
00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:30,390
the topics that you both love to

1263
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:32,750
specialize in and also learn more about

1264
00:55:37,070 --> 00:55:35,130
well she's the most interesting person

1265
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:37,080
not only the smartest person I know but

1266
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:38,310
she's the most interesting person I know

1267
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:41,250
so we have conversations here that we

1268
00:55:47,420 --> 00:55:44,940
joke would make for great content for

1269
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:47,430
podcast or whatever if we just record

1270
00:55:57,470 --> 00:55:50,010
them but you know that would mean having

1271
00:55:59,540 --> 00:55:57,480
to shave and we don't agree 100% on

1272
00:56:01,790 --> 00:55:59,550
everything but I'd stay as much as

1273
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:01,800
anyone else in this world we agree on

1274
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:04,290
all of the important things and about

1275
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:07,230
98% of the other stuff I mean you know

1276
00:56:11,780 --> 00:56:09,420
I'm a huge fan of the the series Firefly

1277
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:11,790
and I would love to see it come back and

1278
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:14,070
done you know I'm given a longer run she

1279
00:56:18,740 --> 00:56:16,530
couldn't get into it but you know that's

1280
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:18,750
one of the few minor things she's got

1281
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:20,190
some insights on some of the stuff that

1282
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:21,720
we're working on right now we're

1283
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:24,810
co-writing a book based around the

1284
00:56:30,590 --> 00:56:28,290
ancient veneration of the dead because

1285
00:56:33,020 --> 00:56:30,600
that was a huge huge part of the culture

1286
00:56:34,940 --> 00:56:33,030
in the world that produced the Hebrew

1287
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:34,950
prophets and apostles the pagans around

1288
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:36,540
them were venerating their ancestors and

1289
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:38,970
venerating the spirits of the Giants of

1290
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:42,170
all the Nephilim the ref I mean but

1291
00:56:45,550 --> 00:56:44,210
she's gonna add some stuff that she came

1292
00:56:47,020 --> 00:56:45,560
up with for her talk at our conference

1293
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:47,030
in Branson his past weekend the sky

1294
00:56:53,830 --> 00:56:50,090
watch TV defender conference that while

1295
00:56:55,390 --> 00:56:53,840
she was giving her talk like well okay I

1296
00:56:56,740 --> 00:56:55,400
didn't even know that was in there so

1297
00:57:00,540 --> 00:56:56,750
I'm learning stuff from her all the time

1298
00:57:03,340 --> 00:57:00,550
and a lot of the stuff that I dig out

1299
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,350
because I guess I'm wired strangely for

1300
00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:04,880
me a fun Friday night is finding a new

1301
00:57:08,350 --> 00:57:07,190
paper on Mesopotamian cosmology that I'd

1302
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:08,360
never seen before

1303
00:57:12,850 --> 00:57:10,370
she's taking a lot of the research that

1304
00:57:16,060 --> 00:57:12,860
I've been putting into my my solo books

1305
00:57:19,150 --> 00:57:16,070
on the overlap between say Greek

1306
00:57:21,250 --> 00:57:19,160
mythology and the Bible and she isn't

1307
00:57:23,470 --> 00:57:21,260
writing it into a series of novels that

1308
00:57:24,910 --> 00:57:23,480
she's she's on novel number six right

1309
00:57:28,930 --> 00:57:24,920
now in this series called the red wing

1310
00:57:31,420 --> 00:57:28,940
saga right now and you host the show

1311
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:31,430
together here on YouTube so tell us a

1312
00:57:37,060 --> 00:57:33,050
little bit about that I've watched the

1313
00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:37,070
episodes and it's a lot of fun well you

1314
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:39,500
got God blessed us with a relationship

1315
00:57:46,810 --> 00:57:44,810
where we we have a rapport that when I

1316
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,820
was in secular broadcasting which was

1317
00:57:51,010 --> 00:57:49,040
where my career started out of college I

1318
00:57:52,780 --> 00:57:51,020
worked my way through college as a as a

1319
00:57:53,830 --> 00:57:52,790
newsman and radio disc jockey and that's

1320
00:57:56,530 --> 00:57:53,840
what I did for like the first nine years

1321
00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:56,540
after college I saw a lot of morning

1322
00:58:00,010 --> 00:57:58,070
show teams so we tried really really

1323
00:58:02,890 --> 00:58:00,020
hard to develop something close to the

1324
00:58:06,220 --> 00:58:02,900
rapport that we have when we open up

1325
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:06,230
microphones and so that that is you know

1326
00:58:10,810 --> 00:58:07,910
that that has got to be God because we

1327
00:58:12,550 --> 00:58:10,820
didn't work at it at all we host a

1328
00:58:14,890 --> 00:58:12,560
program called SCI Friday which was

1329
00:58:17,020 --> 00:58:14,900
Sharon's idea and we just talk about

1330
00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:17,030
science news or specific topics

1331
00:58:21,250 --> 00:58:18,950
depending on what inspiration strikes us

1332
00:58:23,590 --> 00:58:21,260
in any given week if something big in

1333
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:23,600
the world you do some new scientific

1334
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:25,790
discovery hits us we'll talk about that

1335
00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:27,290
or we may just have a topic that we feel

1336
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:29,030
like we want to cover late

1337
00:58:32,620 --> 00:58:30,430
let's week let's talk about the big

1338
00:58:34,540 --> 00:58:32,630
meteor event in the the middle of the

1339
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:34,550
sixth century AD all right yay King

1340
00:58:38,170 --> 00:58:36,650
Arthur great we can do that so and and

1341
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,180
we'll be off and running and we can

1342
00:58:42,970 --> 00:58:40,880
knock out a half-hour program almost off

1343
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:42,980
the cuff you know which we try to put

1344
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:45,680
research into it but again both of us

1345
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:47,630
are so interested in so many things that

1346
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:50,510
there's almost nothing that interests us

1347
00:58:55,650 --> 00:58:52,060
that we can't talk about in fill a

1348
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:55,660
half-hour show without really sweating

1349
00:58:59,920 --> 00:58:58,160
we've started a second a second program

1350
00:59:01,960 --> 00:58:59,930
that's called unraveling revelation

1351
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:01,970
which is focused on the book of

1352
00:59:06,580 --> 00:59:04,910
Revelation but also showing how a lot of

1353
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,590
the prophecies in the book of Revelation

1354
00:59:10,210 --> 00:59:08,480
are actually drawing from elsewhere in

1355
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:10,220
the Bible there's a lot of threads that

1356
00:59:13,570 --> 00:59:12,530
begin all the way back in Genesis that

1357
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:13,580
you have to understand if you want to

1358
00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:16,130
try to make some sense out of the book

1359
00:59:21,780 --> 00:59:19,940
of Revelation a little bit about Sharon

1360
00:59:24,490 --> 00:59:21,790
Kate Gilbert and that as it says here

1361
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:24,500
science writing opera and geopolitics

1362
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:26,390
are just a few of the many hats worn by

1363
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:28,490
Sharon Kate Gilbert Gilbert is the

1364
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:31,760
author of nonfiction work Ebola Ebola

1365
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:33,770
and the fourth Horsemen of the

1366
00:59:41,050 --> 00:59:37,910
Apocalypse and and also a Derek could

1367
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:41,060
you please correct me here on this word

1368
00:59:53,530 --> 00:59:49,630
Laodicea was one of the seven churches

1369
00:59:55,570 --> 00:59:53,540
in the book of Revelation the one that's

1370
00:59:57,450 --> 00:59:55,580
usually taken by prophecy scholars to

1371
00:59:59,380 --> 00:59:57,460
represent the modern church the one that

1372
01:00:01,720 --> 00:59:59,390
Jesus said you're neither hot nor cold

1373
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,730
and so I would just you know spew you or

1374
01:00:05,530 --> 01:00:03,920
vomit you out of my mouth because the

1375
01:00:08,020 --> 01:00:05,540
church is not taking a stand one way or

1376
01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:08,030
the other on most issues understand it

1377
01:00:12,940 --> 01:00:10,700
says a novelized look at the spiritual

1378
01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:12,950
battle set in current time the

1379
01:00:18,490 --> 01:00:15,140
Armageddon strain of biological thriller

1380
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:18,500
and then also her most recent endeavor

1381
01:00:23,410 --> 01:00:20,570
the Redwing saga was she were mentioning

1382
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:23,420
a supernatural warfare series set in

1383
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:24,890
England during the time of Jack the

1384
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:27,530
Ripper so it's really fascinating we'd

1385
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:30,640
love to be able to talk to your wife I

1386
01:00:36,580 --> 01:00:33,050
would love to interview her could you

1387
01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:36,590
please tell her that I will and she is a

1388
01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:39,590
fascinating interview she like I said

1389
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:41,390
she's the smartest person I know yes she

1390
01:00:45,340 --> 01:00:43,760
trained to sing opera she also sang rock

1391
01:00:47,230 --> 01:00:45,350
and roll back in the day she turned down

1392
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:47,240
an opportunity to go to Nashville and

1393
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:50,330
and with a recording contract back when

1394
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:51,770
George Jones was at the peak of his

1395
01:00:55,330 --> 01:00:53,210
career he wanted to make her the opening

1396
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:55,340
act on his tour and she turned it down

1397
01:00:59,740 --> 01:00:56,960
that's incredible

1398
01:01:02,290 --> 01:00:59,750
went back to school and got a degree in

1399
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:02,300
molecular biology I mean that's

1400
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:03,290
outstanding

1401
01:01:08,660 --> 01:01:07,850
who does that yeah after he got to know

1402
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:08,670
Cher and he said

1403
01:01:13,849 --> 01:01:10,170
son don't mess this up because you

1404
01:01:16,430 --> 01:01:13,859
married up brilliant person I think

1405
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:16,440
Frank had a question for you

1406
01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:19,170
yeah I would like to get into a little

1407
01:01:23,870 --> 01:01:21,660
bit about that some recent UFO news and

1408
01:01:28,359 --> 01:01:23,880
what's happened recently with all the t

1409
01:01:31,490 --> 01:01:28,369
TSA news and news about the babies

1410
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,500
senior studies regarding it and as some

1411
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:33,839
of those changes in policy a congressman

1412
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:36,480
from North Carolina by the name of Mark

1413
01:01:40,819 --> 01:01:39,089
Walker has made public a letter that

1414
01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:40,829
he's written to the Secretary of Nate of

1415
01:01:46,490 --> 01:01:44,910
the Navy regarding of the data the

1416
01:01:48,859 --> 01:01:46,500
evidence that they have found that he

1417
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,869
wants to have a look at it as it turns

1418
01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:50,640
out the mark Walker had a very

1419
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:53,190
interesting career before he was elected

1420
01:01:57,740 --> 01:01:55,500
to Congress and for 16 years he was a

1421
01:01:59,089 --> 01:01:57,750
Baptist minister and I was wondering

1422
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,099
Garrick if you have any thoughts on that

1423
01:02:02,930 --> 01:02:01,200
I think that's that's Kure that's a

1424
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:02,940
that's a curious little factoid there

1425
01:02:09,380 --> 01:02:05,940
yeah it's would be interesting to see

1426
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:09,390
what his impression of the UFO

1427
01:02:14,780 --> 01:02:12,470
phenomenon was when he was in the pulpit

1428
01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:14,790
this is not a subject and most churches

1429
01:02:18,289 --> 01:02:16,200
want to deal with which is why you get

1430
01:02:19,849 --> 01:02:18,299
guys who aren't ordained like me or la

1431
01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:19,859
Marzulli or Steve quale or Timothy

1432
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:21,780
albariño Sharon Kay Gilbert Tom Horn

1433
01:02:25,730 --> 01:02:24,569
Josh Peck out there talking writing

1434
01:02:29,059 --> 01:02:25,740
about this and trying to make some sense

1435
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:29,069
of it or dr. Michael Heizer again who's

1436
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,400
a Bible scholar who's probably one of

1437
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:34,319
the best ufologists out there in terms

1438
01:02:39,319 --> 01:02:36,089
of looking at evidence with a critical

1439
01:02:43,970 --> 01:02:39,329
eye something is going on that's clear

1440
01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:43,980
and making sense of it I think is in our

1441
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:45,180
best interest it's certainly in our

1442
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:47,130
national security interest whether it's

1443
01:02:50,690 --> 01:02:49,290
extraterrestrial or just some secret

1444
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:50,700
program being run by another government

1445
01:02:54,980 --> 01:02:53,010
the Navy the Air Force the army we

1446
01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:54,990
really need to know what's going on so

1447
01:02:58,520 --> 01:02:56,460
I'm all in favor of the Pentagon running

1448
01:03:00,620 --> 01:02:58,530
a program to try to figure out what

1449
01:03:01,069 --> 01:03:00,630
these things are and I also notice in

1450
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:01,079
the lineup

1451
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:02,970
Michael shret is going to be there as

1452
01:03:07,490 --> 01:03:05,369
well yes and he's one of the better guys

1453
01:03:09,170 --> 01:03:07,500
in terms of taking a look at these

1454
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:09,180
sightings in determining whether or not

1455
01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:11,940
it's something of ours or not he's very

1456
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:14,220
much up on that end of the field and

1457
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:17,160
he's a top man under that little love

1458
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:19,170
you know sort of a subheading they're

1459
01:03:23,729 --> 01:03:21,609
not in UFO studies so I

1460
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:23,739
how familiar you are with him I think a

1461
01:03:28,289 --> 01:03:25,210
lot of the folks who listen to this show

1462
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:28,299
are and he'd be a fun guy to listen to

1463
01:03:31,710 --> 01:03:29,730
no doubt about it he knows his stuff

1464
01:03:33,539 --> 01:03:31,720
looking forward to the green room

1465
01:03:35,460 --> 01:03:33,549
conversations at the upcoming conference

1466
01:03:37,499 --> 01:03:35,470
in Branson and most definitely most

1467
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:37,509
definitely and that Chase is going to be

1468
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:38,049
there as well

1469
01:03:41,970 --> 01:03:40,569
now did you have any role in the booking

1470
01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:41,980
of this conference or was this all

1471
01:03:47,729 --> 01:03:45,249
handled by the fellows who are doing the

1472
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:47,739
producing Gen 6 date they did all of

1473
01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:49,690
this yeah I'm just a guy I'll just go

1474
01:03:56,910 --> 01:03:51,849
out there and say you know time to take

1475
01:03:59,460 --> 01:03:56,920
your seats and please welcome are you

1476
01:04:01,200 --> 01:03:59,470
gonna have wait are you gonna have chase

1477
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:01,210
on your side Friday sure because she'd

1478
01:04:05,370 --> 01:04:03,910
be a great guest for you if we get an

1479
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:05,380
opportunity to sit down with her we

1480
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:07,839
would love to do that because she is a

1481
01:04:11,489 --> 01:04:09,730
very well-respected researcher and again

1482
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:11,499
she was Sharon and I were really

1483
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:13,599
impressed with with her when we had the

1484
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:14,890
opportunity to sit and talk with her

1485
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:17,529
over dinner and as the conference as

1486
01:04:21,180 --> 01:04:19,089
time as conference allowed it's it's

1487
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:21,190
pretty crazy when you get that many

1488
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:25,839
people in the theater there and the you

1489
01:04:29,579 --> 01:04:27,609
so we didn't have enough time to sit and

1490
01:04:31,019 --> 01:04:29,589
talk with the other speakers as we would

1491
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:31,029
have liked but it really enjoyed the

1492
01:04:35,279 --> 01:04:32,710
time we had to talk with with chase with

1493
01:04:38,279 --> 01:04:35,289
Richard Dolan and with Hugo de garis as

1494
01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:38,289
well and Branson's a really fun and

1495
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:42,249
interesting town it is the host I found

1496
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:43,359
out in doing a little bit of background

1497
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:46,960
research that is the host of the world's

1498
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:50,890
largest privately owned Airport so it's

1499
01:04:54,210 --> 01:04:52,450
kind of out in the middle of nowhere and

1500
01:04:56,039 --> 01:04:54,220
I don't know how they do this how

1501
01:04:58,410 --> 01:04:56,049
they're able to get as many people into

1502
01:05:00,779 --> 01:04:58,420
that town that has a population of about

1503
01:05:03,509 --> 01:05:00,789
10 to 12 thousand it's a real small town

1504
01:05:05,009 --> 01:05:03,519
yet they're able to draw people in from

1505
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:05,019
all over the world it's really

1506
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:07,359
extraordinary and if you look at a map

1507
01:05:12,059 --> 01:05:10,089
it's you know not that not that

1508
01:05:13,049 --> 01:05:12,069
denigrate the town at all but it's kind

1509
01:05:15,329 --> 01:05:13,059
out in the middle of nowhere

1510
01:05:19,859 --> 01:05:15,339
no any absolutely is out in the middle

1511
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:19,869
of nowhere and so are we but I was I was

1512
01:05:24,269 --> 01:05:22,210
born and raised in Chicago and I spent

1513
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:24,279
some time after college working in

1514
01:05:29,789 --> 01:05:26,970
Philadelphia was there in 86 and 87

1515
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:29,799
worked for a while Little Rock spent 17

1516
01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:32,170
years in st. Louis and now we live out

1517
01:05:35,490 --> 01:05:34,420
in the country so I grew up about a half

1518
01:05:37,530 --> 01:05:35,500
a block off or made

1519
01:05:39,690 --> 01:05:37,540
north south street in the city of

1520
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:39,700
Chicago hearing you know buses and

1521
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:41,650
trucks all night long and sirens and

1522
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:44,290
what-have-you and now at night I

1523
01:05:48,060 --> 01:05:46,210
guarantee if I go outside right about

1524
01:05:51,450 --> 01:05:48,070
now nine o'clock Central Time I'll hear

1525
01:05:53,310 --> 01:05:51,460
coyotes right right cattle across the

1526
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:53,320
back fence about 150 feet behind our

1527
01:05:55,890 --> 01:05:53,710
house

1528
01:05:58,140 --> 01:05:55,900
so cattle and coyotes and now you I

1529
01:06:00,599 --> 01:05:58,150
would suspect that you get a really nice

1530
01:06:02,370 --> 01:06:00,609
clear non light polluted sky to look up

1531
01:06:04,290 --> 01:06:02,380
at as well Oh tell me about it

1532
01:06:06,270 --> 01:06:04,300
Frank I tell you what the first night

1533
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:06,280
that we moved here we've been here just

1534
01:06:11,310 --> 01:06:08,890
little over about four and a half years

1535
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:11,320
now and walked outside one night with

1536
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:12,970
her dachshund Sam who was my in studio

1537
01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:16,090
audience by the way is he's got a bed

1538
01:06:18,540 --> 01:06:17,710
and a binky if you know dachshunds of

1539
01:06:20,010 --> 01:06:18,550
course you know they love to burrow

1540
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:20,020
under stuff so he's underneath his binky

1541
01:06:24,510 --> 01:06:22,450
and he's snoring aha

1542
01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:24,520
the residents of the dachshund nose is

1543
01:06:30,030 --> 01:06:28,119
really magnificent let him outside one

1544
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:30,040
night and I didn't have my glasses on

1545
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:33,010
I'm short-sighted but I I looked up at

1546
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:34,240
the sky I thought wow it's kind of

1547
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:35,680
cloudy right across the middle of the

1548
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:45,120
seen it before it is so bright here then

1549
01:06:49,050 --> 01:06:47,710
I could see without my glasses on so you

1550
01:06:52,170 --> 01:06:49,060
know yeah it's an incredible thing and

1551
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:52,180
we love be it Mike Sharon he was raised

1552
01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:53,530
in a small town you could walk from one

1553
01:06:58,250 --> 01:06:55,750
end to the other in ten minutes I had

1554
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:58,260
never lived in a community smaller than

1555
01:07:03,150 --> 01:07:01,839
20,000 before we moved here and like I

1556
01:07:04,859 --> 01:07:03,160
said now we're out and we're out in the

1557
01:07:07,530 --> 01:07:04,869
country we're so far out that we can't

1558
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:07,540
get cable they don't run cable onto us

1559
01:07:12,450 --> 01:07:11,050
so but I wouldn't trade it I wouldn't

1560
01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:12,460
trade it right I'm great

1561
01:07:17,089 --> 01:07:14,920
yeah but 45 minutes south east of where

1562
01:07:21,150 --> 01:07:17,099
we're at right now wanted to bring up a

1563
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:21,160
trending UFO topic that's a kind of

1564
01:07:25,770 --> 01:07:25,210
taken the UFO community by storm no pun

1565
01:07:29,579 --> 01:07:25,780
intended

1566
01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:29,589
the storm area51 creator Maddy Roberts

1567
01:07:37,790 --> 01:07:34,540
he I guess intended that as a joke on

1568
01:07:41,460 --> 01:07:37,800
September 20th of this year however I

1569
01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:41,470
have seen on his page which was taken

1570
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:43,750
down and then put back up again and I

1571
01:07:52,750 --> 01:07:49,930
I took screenshots of what I saw and

1572
01:07:57,850 --> 01:07:52,760
there was a mother who was willing to

1573
01:08:03,520 --> 01:07:57,860
actually arm her children to go into and

1574
01:08:06,070 --> 01:08:03,530
storm area 51 and she there were also

1575
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:06,080
others who were openly planning with

1576
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,240
weapons to go into the base by force and

1577
01:08:17,470 --> 01:08:13,280
just take the joke factor to the side

1578
01:08:19,570 --> 01:08:17,480
and talk speaking only to the violence

1579
01:08:22,900 --> 01:08:19,580
that has been promised against the base

1580
01:08:26,620 --> 01:08:22,910
by certain very sick individuals what

1581
01:08:30,670 --> 01:08:26,630
are your thoughts regarding this a topic

1582
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:30,680
it's a US Air Force a training range for

1583
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:33,440
them I'm sorry it's an open training

1584
01:08:39,460 --> 01:08:37,010
range for the US Air Force and the

1585
01:08:42,130 --> 01:08:39,470
spokeswoman Laura Laura McAndrews was

1586
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:42,140
telling the Washington Post earlier in

1587
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:45,050
the year that the US Air Force always

1588
01:08:51,250 --> 01:08:47,089
stands ready to protect America and its

1589
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:51,260
assets what that means is exactly what

1590
01:08:55,150 --> 01:08:52,370
she said

1591
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:55,160
they will use deadly force if people

1592
01:09:01,630 --> 01:08:58,130
decide to pay them a visit and across

1593
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:01,640
the border of the area that's protecting

1594
01:09:06,220 --> 01:09:03,850
the base what are your thoughts on that

1595
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:06,230
well I think this gets back to what we

1596
01:09:12,510 --> 01:09:08,210
said earlier in the program that this

1597
01:09:16,329 --> 01:09:12,520
for some people is a UFO phenomenon is

1598
01:09:18,430 --> 01:09:16,339
in their minds the key to answering the

1599
01:09:20,559 --> 01:09:18,440
big questions where do we come from why

1600
01:09:24,940 --> 01:09:20,569
are we here and what happens to us when

1601
01:09:26,980 --> 01:09:24,950
we die and their frustration and not

1602
01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:26,990
getting answers from those who they

1603
01:09:33,190 --> 01:09:30,230
believe hold those answers is I think

1604
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:33,200
behind this you know desire to do

1605
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:34,730
whatever's necessary to get into that

1606
01:09:39,940 --> 01:09:38,000
base I think it's foolish because yes

1607
01:09:42,460 --> 01:09:39,950
the military will protect whatever is in

1608
01:09:43,809 --> 01:09:42,470
there they don't want the Chinese and

1609
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:43,819
the Russians knowing about it much less

1610
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:47,810
you know and much less any of us but I

1611
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:52,310
think yeah ultimately that's that's what

1612
01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:53,839
it comes down to for some people who are

1613
01:09:59,290 --> 01:09:55,430
looking for those answers and have not

1614
01:10:00,610 --> 01:09:59,300
found them in the Bible in their

1615
01:10:04,030 --> 01:10:00,620
churches

1616
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:04,040
this is what they're turning to this

1617
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:05,570
this may be for some of them in their

1618
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:07,610
minds last hope and I really this is a

1619
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:11,690
condemnation of Christians we're just

1620
01:10:15,820 --> 01:10:13,610
not doing a very good job of being the

1621
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:15,830
imager that God created us to be

1622
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:17,930
you know his image bearers because if we

1623
01:10:20,260 --> 01:10:19,280
had answered these questions and we said

1624
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,270
hey look you know it doesn't really

1625
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:22,640
matter if there are extraterrestrials or

1626
01:10:28,060 --> 01:10:25,010
not because they don't hold the key to

1627
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,070
what happens when we die they don't hold

1628
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:30,560
the answers to why you are here that's

1629
01:10:34,060 --> 01:10:32,330
all here we've not done a good job of

1630
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:34,070
presenting that or making the case for

1631
01:10:39,940 --> 01:10:37,510
that and so they're turning to other

1632
01:10:41,710 --> 01:10:39,950
other avenues whether it's

1633
01:10:45,970 --> 01:10:41,720
extraterrestrials whether it's other

1634
01:10:48,250 --> 01:10:45,980
gods ultimately the the enemy and I kept

1635
01:10:50,230 --> 01:10:48,260
a little ie enemy Satan and his minions

1636
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:50,240
they really don't care what we humans

1637
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:52,010
believe as long as it's not in the one

1638
01:10:56,260 --> 01:10:54,770
thing that is true and we're all created

1639
01:10:58,300 --> 01:10:56,270
with freewill so believe me I'm not one

1640
01:11:00,820 --> 01:10:58,310
of those guys who's gonna tell you or or

1641
01:11:02,670 --> 01:11:00,830
mock you or belittle you if you disagree

1642
01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:02,680
with my point of view that's not my job

1643
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:05,270
Jesus didn't tell his apostles that it

1644
01:11:10,150 --> 01:11:07,310
was our job to try to berate people or

1645
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,160
belittle people or bully people into

1646
01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:12,080
accepting him which doesn't work anyway

1647
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:14,030
I mean if you don't really believe it

1648
01:11:17,530 --> 01:11:16,400
doesn't work he told the Apostles look

1649
01:11:19,330 --> 01:11:17,540
if they're not gonna listen to you as

1650
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:19,340
you go preach into a village just shake

1651
01:11:24,460 --> 01:11:21,850
the dust from your sandals and move on

1652
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:24,470
we're not and never were supposed to

1653
01:11:29,170 --> 01:11:26,000
convert or try to convert at the point

1654
01:11:31,810 --> 01:11:29,180
of a sword but if we're not out there

1655
01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:31,820
representing the God who created us well

1656
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:34,460
by loving our neighbors as ourselves

1657
01:11:37,810 --> 01:11:36,650
which was like you know very simple

1658
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:37,820
command love God love your neighbors

1659
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:40,610
love very simple and yet we still after

1660
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:42,170
2,000 years we're just not doing a very

1661
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:44,570
good job of it well I thank you very

1662
01:11:50,050 --> 01:11:47,810
much for saying all that I wanted to

1663
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:50,060
mention I took a lot of heat in the UFO

1664
01:11:57,340 --> 01:11:55,610
community by certain people for being

1665
01:12:00,280 --> 01:11:57,350
against this event in only one respect

1666
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:00,290
and they totally misunderstood what I

1667
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:01,610
was saying although I was crystal clear

1668
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:05,450
about it and regarding this storm area51

1669
01:12:12,220 --> 01:12:09,410
event and that is there should be no

1670
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:12,230
violence involved in this event there

1671
01:12:20,710 --> 01:12:14,450
should be no one promising to come

1672
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:20,720
to to threaten violence and you know it

1673
01:12:24,910 --> 01:12:22,850
comes on what we're talking about comes

1674
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:24,920
on the heels up is something pretty

1675
01:12:29,050 --> 01:12:27,170
quite terrible and that is the mass

1676
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:29,060
shootings that have occurred and there's

1677
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:30,890
August 5th four people were injured at a

1678
01:12:33,670 --> 01:12:32,810
shooting during candlelight vigil in

1679
01:12:36,340 --> 01:12:33,680
Brooklyn New York

1680
01:12:38,380 --> 01:12:36,350
August 4th there were four people a

1681
01:12:41,410 --> 01:12:38,390
discovered wounded late at night in

1682
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:41,420
Grenada Mississippi seven people were

1683
01:12:45,730 --> 01:12:43,010
wounded in drive-by in Douglass park

1684
01:12:47,290 --> 01:12:45,740
August 4th in Chicago Illinois and then

1685
01:12:49,300 --> 01:12:47,300
just escaping on down because there's

1686
01:12:51,940 --> 01:12:49,310
there's a list too long to mention here

1687
01:12:54,490 --> 01:12:51,950
but we have Walmart shootings then we

1688
01:12:56,620 --> 01:12:54,500
have a garlic festival in Gilroy

1689
01:12:58,990 --> 01:12:56,630
California where people were shot and

1690
01:13:02,680 --> 01:12:59,000
you know my point to the UFO community

1691
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:02,690
was their point to me was well this is

1692
01:13:08,380 --> 01:13:05,360
all a joke we're going for the fun and

1693
01:13:11,230 --> 01:13:08,390
games and the music and for disclosure

1694
01:13:13,420 --> 01:13:11,240
and the truth as they called it which

1695
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:13,430
the truth as we all know is different to

1696
01:13:18,220 --> 01:13:16,250
everybody and they're they're going to

1697
01:13:20,860 --> 01:13:18,230
demand that the government reveal

1698
01:13:24,340 --> 01:13:20,870
whatever it is that they would hope the

1699
01:13:26,410 --> 01:13:24,350
government could reveal my point was we

1700
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:26,420
need to we need to understand that

1701
01:13:32,230 --> 01:13:30,080
there's crazy people out there and I use

1702
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,240
that term kind of loosely crazy take it

1703
01:13:37,300 --> 01:13:35,120
as you will who are willing to degrade

1704
01:13:40,170 --> 01:13:37,310
themselves to the level of violence and

1705
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:40,180
they use events like this as

1706
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:43,790
opportunities to take advantage of where

1707
01:13:49,390 --> 01:13:46,310
there's good people who just want to

1708
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:49,400
enjoy whatever it is they came to show

1709
01:13:59,170 --> 01:13:55,690
up to enjoy and they they use it to as a

1710
01:14:02,500 --> 01:13:59,180
point of opportunity and I wanted to

1711
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:02,510
know how do you feel about these

1712
01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:05,090
shootings that just happened and the

1713
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:07,190
possibility the potential for violence

1714
01:14:13,390 --> 01:14:11,120
at this event well I would hope that

1715
01:14:15,010 --> 01:14:13,400
nobody would actually go there and seem

1716
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:15,020
to take it out gun the United States

1717
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:17,840
military right I mean that's that's

1718
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:19,610
that's suicide that would be foolish

1719
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:21,890
yet people that are actually thinking

1720
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:23,570
they can do that they're planning it

1721
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:24,410
right now

1722
01:14:28,030 --> 01:14:26,360
I saw them planning it on his page and

1723
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:28,040
they weren't joking either

1724
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:30,890
multitudes of people were doing this mmm

1725
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:34,130
well again it's going to be it's not

1726
01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:35,360
going to end well for them which is

1727
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:40,040
which is tragic I'm sure that the the

1728
01:14:46,450 --> 01:14:43,490
the military doesn't relish the idea of

1729
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:46,460
having to use force to defend the base

1730
01:14:50,230 --> 01:14:49,130
against American citizens but I presume

1731
01:14:52,620 --> 01:14:50,240
that that's what they'll be willing to

1732
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,630
do if the whatever is on the base is

1733
01:14:59,380 --> 01:14:54,560
secret enough that they don't want it to

1734
01:15:01,330 --> 01:14:59,390
get out but I think it speaks to the the

1735
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:01,340
day in which we live and I would argue

1736
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:03,530
that the violence that we've seen here

1737
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:08,840
in recent in recent years actually

1738
01:15:16,110 --> 01:15:11,570
argues for the Christian worldview which

1739
01:15:20,290 --> 01:15:16,120
suggests that we as humans are

1740
01:15:23,290 --> 01:15:20,300
inherently our default setting is is to

1741
01:15:26,380 --> 01:15:23,300
sin is to do bad things to other people

1742
01:15:29,230 --> 01:15:26,390
and God in His wisdom having created us

1743
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:29,240
with free will allowed for us to have

1744
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:32,210
the free will to do bad things the only

1745
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:34,310
way for bad things not to happen to good

1746
01:15:38,740 --> 01:15:37,010
people for things like happened in El

1747
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:38,750
Paso and Dayton this weekend not to

1748
01:15:44,770 --> 01:15:41,690
happen would for God is if God had

1749
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:44,780
created little automatons to limit our

1750
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,250
range of choices to make us little

1751
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:48,080
robots that couldn't hurt each other

1752
01:15:51,340 --> 01:15:49,610
because we were not free to make those

1753
01:15:52,690 --> 01:15:51,350
choices and I know that there are those

1754
01:15:54,580 --> 01:15:52,700
out there who suggest that we don't

1755
01:15:57,900 --> 01:15:54,590
actually have free will that everything

1756
01:16:00,370 --> 01:15:57,910
we do is just the result of chemical

1757
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:00,380
reactions inside of our brains or that

1758
01:16:04,510 --> 01:16:03,170
we are somehow inside of a simulation

1759
01:16:07,900 --> 01:16:04,520
and nothing really matters anymore

1760
01:16:10,570 --> 01:16:07,910
anyway again I would suggest that the

1761
01:16:13,540 --> 01:16:10,580
the outcome of those actions which are

1762
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:13,550
evil there's no other word for it argues

1763
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,250
for the source of those ideas and it's

1764
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:18,560
not the God of the Bible okay the last

1765
01:16:22,660 --> 01:16:19,910
question I have for you about this topic

1766
01:16:26,140 --> 01:16:22,670
and then we'll move on is how in the

1767
01:16:28,030 --> 01:16:26,150
world can people showing up at a base

1768
01:16:29,710 --> 01:16:28,040
and by the way I believe the military is

1769
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:29,720
going to make sure that they can't get

1770
01:16:33,490 --> 01:16:31,730
anywhere near the base that their

1771
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:33,500
presence will be many miles away from it

1772
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:35,090
so people can only go so far

1773
01:16:41,300 --> 01:16:37,850
but how can people showing up and mass

1774
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:41,310
at a base demanding for the truth

1775
01:16:45,860 --> 01:16:43,650
which means something different to all

1776
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:45,870
to billion people on this planet at all

1777
01:16:50,860 --> 01:16:47,610
seven point seven billion people on this

1778
01:16:54,740 --> 01:16:50,870
planet how is that going to create

1779
01:16:58,130 --> 01:16:54,750
transparency for the topic of ufology

1780
01:17:02,480 --> 01:16:58,140
from the government it has never done

1781
01:17:03,650 --> 01:17:02,490
that before why would it happen now no

1782
01:17:05,620 --> 01:17:03,660
you think you've answered the question

1783
01:17:08,060 --> 01:17:05,630
it's not going to happen

1784
01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:08,070
well what I understand that there's some

1785
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:09,540
talk going on about it what I hope

1786
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:11,310
happens is that they do have a little

1787
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:13,110
bit of a music festival and get together

1788
01:17:18,230 --> 01:17:16,320
to support greater transparency and I

1789
01:17:20,210 --> 01:17:18,240
hope that's what happened I mean there

1790
01:17:22,220 --> 01:17:20,220
is the possibility that some folks will

1791
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:22,230
branch off and do something as stupid

1792
01:17:27,890 --> 01:17:25,530
and ultimately self-destructive but you

1793
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:27,900
know I'm hopeful that things turn out

1794
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:31,850
well yeah yeah let's pray that nobody

1795
01:17:37,130 --> 01:17:34,250
actually gets serious about trying to

1796
01:17:38,150 --> 01:17:37,140
draw down on the United States military

1797
01:17:39,190 --> 01:17:38,160
because like I said it's not going to

1798
01:17:43,460 --> 01:17:39,200
end well

1799
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:43,470
on December 16 2017 Leslie Kean and two

1800
01:17:49,700 --> 01:17:46,320
other authors wrote an article called

1801
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:49,710
gluing Aras Aras and black money Derek

1802
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:51,210
and I wanted to know do you feel that

1803
01:17:54,490 --> 01:17:53,040
that was a form of disclosure from the

1804
01:17:58,430 --> 01:17:54,500
government

1805
01:18:00,520 --> 01:17:58,440
well no I think this was actually it

1806
01:18:03,140 --> 01:18:00,530
this gets back to my skeptical

1807
01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:03,150
assessment of tea tsa I think it was a

1808
01:18:09,850 --> 01:18:05,820
marketing a well-planned marketing and

1809
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:09,860
PR move for the folks behind T TSA I

1810
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:14,250
understand okay and do you believe that

1811
01:18:19,190 --> 01:18:15,840
there is anything supernatural

1812
01:18:21,740 --> 01:18:19,200
whatsoever about the UFO topic that we

1813
01:18:25,490 --> 01:18:21,750
haven't discussed that you wanted to

1814
01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:25,500
bring to our attention or paranormal or

1815
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:28,860
along the lines of the opposite of

1816
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,400
spirituality well no not really I do

1817
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:34,640
think it is a spiritual or supernatural

1818
01:18:40,340 --> 01:18:37,770
phenomenon again open to the idea that

1819
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:40,350
maybe someday a an extraterrestrial

1820
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:42,480
craft will land here but I just have not

1821
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:44,490
seen evidence of that yet not that's

1822
01:18:50,660 --> 01:18:46,530
compelling to me nothing that couldn't

1823
01:18:52,460 --> 01:18:50,670
be explained by other alternative

1824
01:18:54,890 --> 01:18:52,470
explanations you know interdimensional

1825
01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:56,240
been with us since the beginning since

1826
01:19:00,260 --> 01:18:58,620
the garden why would they present to

1827
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:00,270
them to present themselves to us as

1828
01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:03,120
extraterrestrials and you they don't

1829
01:19:06,710 --> 01:19:05,550
care what we believe whether we believe

1830
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:06,720
in other gods or believing that

1831
01:19:10,730 --> 01:19:08,610
extraterrestrials will be our salvation

1832
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:10,740
they really don't care as long as it's

1833
01:19:16,490 --> 01:19:13,440
not the one thing that Jesus said was

1834
01:19:18,350 --> 01:19:16,500
required for salvation now Jack you're

1835
01:19:21,740 --> 01:19:18,360
not a Christian that's fine I bury you

1836
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,750
no no ill will God created us all with

1837
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:23,280
free will to choose to believe whatever

1838
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:28,080
we want but that's what Jesus said you

1839
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:29,280
know there's only one way to the Father

1840
01:19:35,180 --> 01:19:32,760
and that is through me and that excludes

1841
01:19:37,220 --> 01:19:35,190
the millions of people around the world

1842
01:19:39,970 --> 01:19:37,230
who choose to follow the teachings of

1843
01:19:43,850 --> 01:19:39,980
Muhammad those who are Hindu Buddhist

1844
01:19:47,150 --> 01:19:43,860
Jews Jane's zoroastrians whatever again

1845
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:47,160
we were all created with free will those

1846
01:19:53,690 --> 01:19:51,120
who choose to follow the the belief that

1847
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:53,700
the the ashtar command is here to to

1848
01:19:59,330 --> 01:19:56,970
help us all to the next level okay

1849
01:20:01,970 --> 01:19:59,340
good on you just evaluate the evidence

1850
01:20:04,010 --> 01:20:01,980
that's that's would be my one suggestion

1851
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:04,020
just evaluate the evidence with a

1852
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:06,690
critical eye I just have to wonder why

1853
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:08,370
if we're being visited by beings from

1854
01:20:11,180 --> 01:20:09,780
other planets that are so

1855
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:11,190
technologically advanced they could

1856
01:20:19,580 --> 01:20:14,880
cross the vast gulf of space why they

1857
01:20:22,010 --> 01:20:19,590
can't figure out how to use a webcam or

1858
01:20:25,850 --> 01:20:22,020
a cell phone I mean why are these

1859
01:20:29,660 --> 01:20:25,860
messages being sent like channelling

1860
01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:29,670
well you know that's the kind of rituals

1861
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:32,310
that were being done 3,000 years ago in

1862
01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:33,900
the Bible where necromancer's were

1863
01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:36,540
summoning Elohim spirits from the

1864
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,940
underworld to communicate messages to

1865
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:40,800
the living in fact that's the book that

1866
01:20:43,970 --> 01:20:42,210
Sharon and I are writing right now about

1867
01:20:47,090 --> 01:20:43,980
the the spirits of the Dead and the

1868
01:20:49,730 --> 01:20:47,100
practice of offering sacrifices to them

1869
01:20:51,890 --> 01:20:49,740
and getting messages from them summoning

1870
01:20:54,170 --> 01:20:51,900
the spirits of the ancestors this is the

1871
01:20:57,580 --> 01:20:54,180
same type of communication why is it all

1872
01:21:02,570 --> 01:20:57,590
telepathic why isn't it you know analog

1873
01:21:04,910 --> 01:21:02,580
actually yeah I have some I'm not

1874
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:04,920
entirely convinced that what we're

1875
01:21:08,510 --> 01:21:07,170
dealing with is telepathy that it might

1876
01:21:10,820 --> 01:21:08,520
well be it's just the technology

1877
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:10,830
that we don't understand so I'm open to

1878
01:21:15,290 --> 01:21:13,410
that possibility as well which is

1879
01:21:16,580 --> 01:21:15,300
possible but why are only certain people

1880
01:21:18,530 --> 01:21:16,590
able to receive it then if it's that

1881
01:21:20,210 --> 01:21:18,540
advanced why can't they do a broadband

1882
01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:20,220
communication where they can reach a

1883
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:21,720
whole bunch of people at once hey we're

1884
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:23,250
here to help you and if they are here to

1885
01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:25,770
help what are they waiting for these are

1886
01:21:30,110 --> 01:21:27,900
all great points by the way I really

1887
01:21:32,780 --> 01:21:30,120
enjoy listening to you I have never

1888
01:21:34,610 --> 01:21:32,790
heard that kind of point made or these

1889
01:21:36,140 --> 01:21:34,620
points made rather you know I'm really

1890
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:36,150
glad that you're bringing them up thank

1891
01:21:40,730 --> 01:21:38,250
you well you know and here's the other

1892
01:21:44,270 --> 01:21:40,740
thing if remember if people in the UFO

1893
01:21:47,420 --> 01:21:44,280
community are say getting frustrated or

1894
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:47,430
impatient with to the Stars Academy for

1895
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:50,310
the scientific results of the testing

1896
01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:51,780
that they've done on this this anomalous

1897
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:54,270
material why aren't we demanding the

1898
01:21:58,940 --> 01:21:55,770
same kind of evidence from these

1899
01:22:00,260 --> 01:21:58,950
entities that are contacting sensitives

1900
01:22:02,300 --> 01:22:00,270
and and telling them that they're here

1901
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:02,310
from another galaxy and other dimension

1902
01:22:06,500 --> 01:22:03,840
or whatever I mean why didn't Erich von

1903
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:06,510
däniken have more people press him when

1904
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:08,130
he claimed that a lot of the information

1905
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:11,010
he was receiving about the the secret

1906
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:13,530
history of earth was channeled from the

1907
01:22:20,450 --> 01:22:16,800
fourth dimension hmm really show me some

1908
01:22:22,370 --> 01:22:20,460
evidence I mean you know it when the

1909
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:22,380
Bible tells us that the Risen Jesus

1910
01:22:26,450 --> 01:22:24,690
first Corinthians 15 if you read it it's

1911
01:22:28,190 --> 01:22:26,460
like Paul is explaining the church at

1912
01:22:30,290 --> 01:22:28,200
Corinth here is why you should believe

1913
01:22:31,850 --> 01:22:30,300
the Risen Jesus first appeared to Peter

1914
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:31,860
and of course we know appeared to Mary

1915
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:34,710
and Martha first but still you are Mary

1916
01:22:38,210 --> 01:22:36,690
and Mary Magdalene but he's to be

1917
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:38,220
appeared to Peter appeared to James the

1918
01:22:43,310 --> 01:22:40,290
brother of Jesus then to the twelve then

1919
01:22:45,380 --> 01:22:43,320
to hundreds of brothers some of whom

1920
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:45,390
have fallen asleep meaning they've died

1921
01:22:48,260 --> 01:22:47,130
but most of whom are still awake in

1922
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:48,270
other words he was saying look if you

1923
01:22:53,630 --> 01:22:50,130
don't believe my story about this guy

1924
01:22:55,700 --> 01:22:53,640
who was crucified and died and then rose

1925
01:22:57,650 --> 01:22:55,710
from the tomb on the third day go to

1926
01:23:02,120 --> 01:22:57,660
Jerusalem and ask around there are

1927
01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:02,130
witnesses and yet most other belief

1928
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:04,380
systems and we'll just keep this limited

1929
01:23:10,430 --> 01:23:07,260
to the the UFO community very few

1930
01:23:13,670 --> 01:23:10,440
encounters have more than one witness

1931
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:13,680
now obviously the nimitz incident and

1932
01:23:16,490 --> 01:23:15,090
and there are others that you could name

1933
01:23:20,540 --> 01:23:16,500
and that i could name that have more

1934
01:23:22,130 --> 01:23:20,550
than one witness but not that don't have

1935
01:23:22,340 --> 01:23:22,140
alternate explanations like we talked

1936
01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:22,350
about

1937
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:23,880
with the Tic Tac incident and the Nimitz

1938
01:23:27,620 --> 01:23:25,860
we don't know for a fact that this is

1939
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:27,630
extraterrestrial those who are

1940
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:29,250
concluding its extraterrestrial are

1941
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:33,210
doing so without definite confirmation

1942
01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:34,770
that that's effect it could be a secret

1943
01:23:39,470 --> 01:23:36,510
terrestrial project from our government

1944
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,480
or for some other government people who

1945
01:23:43,250 --> 01:23:41,040
are hearing messages from these entities

1946
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,260
I would just like a little more proof

1947
01:23:47,660 --> 01:23:45,840
before I accept and take their word for

1948
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,670
it and by the way I have the same

1949
01:23:52,090 --> 01:23:49,440
comment toward those that are engaging

1950
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:52,100
in the occult and dealing with you know

1951
01:23:55,730 --> 01:23:54,090
projecting themselves into the spirit

1952
01:23:56,930 --> 01:23:55,740
realm and contacting these spirit

1953
01:23:58,250 --> 01:23:56,940
entities how do you know they are what

1954
01:24:00,880 --> 01:23:58,260
they say they're what they claim to be

1955
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:00,890
how do you know they're friendly

1956
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:04,080
well well for one thing there's the the

1957
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:06,810
lack of evidence of any real harm being

1958
01:24:10,580 --> 01:24:08,370
done there's been no attack

1959
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:10,590
you know murders that sort of thing and

1960
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,530
as far as those who were abducted and

1961
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:15,840
experimented on the the sexual aspect of

1962
01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:18,080
the abduction phenomenon suggests that

1963
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:20,760
and I suppose we can separate the

1964
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:22,440
abduction phenomenon from the UFO

1965
01:24:27,380 --> 01:24:24,690
phenomenon those are probably two

1966
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:27,390
separate two separate things but those

1967
01:24:31,220 --> 01:24:29,490
who have been through the abduction

1968
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:31,230
phenomenon would probably argue that

1969
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:33,570
that wasn't very pleasant that's

1970
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:35,970
interesting I've never heard there was a

1971
01:24:41,690 --> 01:24:38,850
delineation ever until you just said it

1972
01:24:44,630 --> 01:24:41,700
now that there the abduction phenomenon

1973
01:24:47,180 --> 01:24:44,640
is probably separate and different than

1974
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:47,190
the UFO phenomenon so I feel like I'm

1975
01:24:52,340 --> 01:24:50,970
really you know I really heard a lot of

1976
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:52,350
very different things from you that I've

1977
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:54,510
original thoughts that I've never heard

1978
01:24:58,340 --> 01:24:56,250
from anybody before thank you I

1979
01:24:59,570 --> 01:24:58,350
appreciate that but you know this is

1980
01:25:00,770 --> 01:24:59,580
this a stuff that I've heard from others

1981
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:00,780
who have been involved in this for a

1982
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:03,360
while I would mention Joe Jordan of the

1983
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:06,770
ce4 research group guy Malone who has

1984
01:25:12,710 --> 01:25:09,690
been coordinating conferences in in

1985
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:12,720
Roswell New Mexico for years but if you

1986
01:25:17,290 --> 01:25:14,610
if you think about it though it kind of

1987
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:17,300
makes sense because the the unidentified

1988
01:25:23,420 --> 01:25:20,610
craft in the air aren't necessarily the

1989
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:23,430
ones that are doing the are performing

1990
01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:25,770
these of these abductions and what Joe

1991
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:29,400
and others in who have followed his

1992
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:31,370
research have discovered is that those

1993
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:33,690
people who've been subjected to the

1994
01:25:38,650 --> 01:25:36,250
abduction phenomenon

1995
01:25:41,260 --> 01:25:38,660
have more success in stopping them when

1996
01:25:44,020 --> 01:25:41,270
they deal with it as a spiritual attack

1997
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:44,030
in other words it's more demonic than it

1998
01:25:49,390 --> 01:25:45,530
is extraterrestrial and when you

1999
01:25:51,930 --> 01:25:49,400
approach it from that perspective that

2000
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:51,940
you're dealing with demons rather than

2001
01:26:00,430 --> 01:25:56,320
aliens you can actually make it stop by

2002
01:26:02,530 --> 01:26:00,440
treating it as a demonic attack and and

2003
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:02,540
invoking the name of Jesus dealing with

2004
01:26:07,870 --> 01:26:06,080
it as it has a deliverance now there has

2005
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:07,880
been a lot of information gathered by

2006
01:26:11,380 --> 01:26:09,890
the free organization that the one

2007
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:11,390
started by increments what we talked

2008
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:13,850
about a little bit earlier and there's a

2009
01:26:18,010 --> 01:26:16,010
lot of talk about the exact opposite of

2010
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:18,020
these negative experiences there's talk

2011
01:26:20,919 --> 01:26:20,330
about spontaneous healing that type of

2012
01:26:22,780 --> 01:26:20,929
thing

2013
01:26:26,290 --> 01:26:22,790
what are your thoughts about that I mean

2014
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:26,300
that I like to be a positive guy so when

2015
01:26:30,250 --> 01:26:27,770
I hear news about that I think that's

2016
01:26:32,380 --> 01:26:30,260
great if somebody has a malady or you

2017
01:26:34,570 --> 01:26:32,390
know even a life-threatening illness and

2018
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:34,580
they're reporting that after an

2019
01:26:39,070 --> 01:26:37,280
experience it goes away and I literally

2020
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:39,080
they're back to good health afterwards

2021
01:26:43,570 --> 01:26:40,880
nothing wrong with that

2022
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:43,580
no I would I bought a favor of that I

2023
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:44,719
think that would be a wonderful thing

2024
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:46,370
love to see those documented and I say

2025
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:47,690
the same thing by the way about claims

2026
01:26:52,180 --> 01:26:50,239
of healings in the name of Jesus you

2027
01:26:53,770 --> 01:26:52,190
know so again if you're gonna make an

2028
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:53,780
extraordinary claim extraordinary proof

2029
01:26:59,050 --> 01:26:57,050
is needed I've seen I've seen some

2030
01:27:01,360 --> 01:26:59,060
things that I can't explain that I would

2031
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:01,370
classify as miracles but you know others

2032
01:27:07,810 --> 01:27:05,890
may disagree but yes I think that if

2033
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:07,820
anytime you're dealing with a situation

2034
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:09,170
like that whether it's a miraculous

2035
01:27:12,850 --> 01:27:11,210
healing or a really unpleasant

2036
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:12,860
experience that the late Harvard

2037
01:27:19,630 --> 01:27:15,110
physicist or psychologists rather John

2038
01:27:21,070 --> 01:27:19,640
Mac equated to the the experience of

2039
01:27:22,540 --> 01:27:21,080
those who'd gone through satanic ritual

2040
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:22,550
abuse he'd be basically said that those

2041
01:27:32,290 --> 01:27:28,880
who had experienced abductions they

2042
01:27:33,939 --> 01:27:32,300
their experiences were similar and too

2043
01:27:36,850 --> 01:27:33,949
similar to be just coincidental with

2044
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:36,860
satanic ritual abuse well that's not

2045
01:27:40,330 --> 01:27:38,690
that say that everybody who's had an

2046
01:27:43,689 --> 01:27:40,340
encounter has been contacted has had a

2047
01:27:45,130 --> 01:27:43,699
negative experience so how do we process

2048
01:27:46,690 --> 01:27:45,140
that well it's it's still an open

2049
01:27:50,050 --> 01:27:46,700
question

2050
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:50,060
okay and I wanted to also bring up your

2051
01:27:55,900 --> 01:27:53,330
wife again because I think it's

2052
01:28:01,060 --> 01:27:55,910
important to do that regarding the topic

2053
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:01,070
of transhumanism and your wife and a

2054
01:28:05,290 --> 01:28:02,960
perspective she may have shared with you

2055
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:05,300
about that topic that you felt is

2056
01:28:15,100 --> 01:28:13,930
is there too much to cover I think the

2057
01:28:18,610 --> 01:28:15,110
one that I would point out and this is

2058
01:28:22,270 --> 01:28:18,620
one that we we try to bring up when we

2059
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:22,280
discuss it you know at Sky Watch TV we

2060
01:28:27,970 --> 01:28:23,810
produced a documentary a few years ago

2061
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:27,980
called inhuman and you know Tom Horn

2062
01:28:31,170 --> 01:28:29,570
being the executive producer to his

2063
01:28:35,250 --> 01:28:31,180
credit went and interviewed

2064
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:35,260
transhumanists like Natasha Evita more

2065
01:28:39,940 --> 01:28:37,610
and I'm gonna forget the name of the the

2066
01:28:42,190 --> 01:28:39,950
professor out east who said that he

2067
01:28:44,020 --> 01:28:42,200
thought tom was was nuts but anyway but

2068
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:44,030
gave them a friendly venue to express

2069
01:28:47,770 --> 01:28:45,440
their opinions and explain why they

2070
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:47,780
believed transhumanism is a good thing

2071
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:51,110
and I've interviewed people like Zoltan

2072
01:28:55,690 --> 01:28:54,050
Istvan and the founder of the Christian

2073
01:28:58,990 --> 01:28:55,700
transhumanist Association the Reverend

2074
01:29:00,520 --> 01:28:59,000
dr. Christopher benek I understand what

2075
01:29:02,530 --> 01:29:00,530
what they're trying to do and that is to

2076
01:29:04,830 --> 01:29:02,540
better the human condition and that I

2077
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:04,840
have no qualms with that whatsoever um

2078
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:08,930
where there's a problem with actually a

2079
01:29:11,530 --> 01:29:10,010
couple of a couple of places where

2080
01:29:14,740 --> 01:29:11,540
there's a problem one is when it becomes

2081
01:29:17,770 --> 01:29:14,750
a substitute gospel we're going to live

2082
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:17,780
forever through technology okay well I I

2083
01:29:21,370 --> 01:29:19,250
don't think so

2084
01:29:22,900 --> 01:29:21,380
you're welcome to try but I'll I'll

2085
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:22,910
stick with the promise that I've been

2086
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:25,730
given of a of a you know a better body

2087
01:29:30,570 --> 01:29:27,770
in the resurrection one that doesn't

2088
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:30,580
break down quite so easily but secondly

2089
01:29:35,500 --> 01:29:33,650
and this is I think for even

2090
01:29:37,540 --> 01:29:35,510
non-believers I think we can set

2091
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:37,550
religion aside on this particular issue

2092
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:39,530
and and this is one that that really

2093
01:29:46,060 --> 01:29:41,930
disturbs us and Sharon for her this hits

2094
01:29:49,420 --> 01:29:46,070
close to home because the the issue

2095
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:49,430
originated in part at her alma mater

2096
01:29:54,780 --> 01:29:52,250
Indiana University and that is that

2097
01:29:56,459 --> 01:29:54,790
transhumanism is essentially rebranded

2098
01:30:00,600 --> 01:29:56,469
eugenics

2099
01:30:04,589 --> 01:30:00,610
it is all about weeding out the unfit

2100
01:30:07,529 --> 01:30:04,599
and when you begin to look at the

2101
01:30:09,859 --> 01:30:07,539
logistics of how transhumanism or how

2102
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:09,869
transhumanist technology would be

2103
01:30:14,939 --> 01:30:13,360
allocated given the problems that we

2104
01:30:17,549 --> 01:30:14,949
have for just getting basic health care

2105
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:17,559
to all of our citizens you have to say

2106
01:30:23,939 --> 01:30:21,360
you know GE um there might be a little

2107
01:30:25,979 --> 01:30:23,949
disparity between what's available to

2108
01:30:30,750 --> 01:30:25,989
the the masses and what's available to

2109
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:30,760
the 1% they can already afford the best

2110
01:30:36,209 --> 01:30:33,010
stuff for in terms of healthcare and so

2111
01:30:37,859 --> 01:30:36,219
if if by some some miracle technology

2112
01:30:40,949 --> 01:30:37,869
was invented that would allow us to

2113
01:30:42,750 --> 01:30:40,959
become stronger live longer be more

2114
01:30:46,620 --> 01:30:42,760
intelligent you know to essentially

2115
01:30:50,759 --> 01:30:46,630
upgrade in humanity 2.0 how in the world

2116
01:30:53,100 --> 01:30:50,769
are the people in Flint Michigan or you

2117
01:30:55,979 --> 01:30:53,110
know living in the the the impoverished

2118
01:30:57,449 --> 01:30:55,989
coal mining regions of Appalachia or the

2119
01:30:59,640 --> 01:30:57,459
Native Americans on the reservation

2120
01:31:01,709 --> 01:30:59,650
people who are disadvantaged

2121
01:31:03,929 --> 01:31:01,719
economically how are they going to have

2122
01:31:06,689 --> 01:31:03,939
access to this technology are there is

2123
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:06,699
the 1% they really gonna give fruit you

2124
01:31:11,459 --> 01:31:08,110
know fair access to this stuff to

2125
01:31:12,929 --> 01:31:11,469
everybody or are they gonna stay well we

2126
01:31:14,729 --> 01:31:12,939
really need to make sure that only the

2127
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:14,739
best gets act because we don't want to

2128
01:31:22,739 --> 01:31:19,840
upgrade people whose genes are less

2129
01:31:24,270 --> 01:31:22,749
desirable I mean it's not gonna take

2130
01:31:26,459 --> 01:31:24,280
very long before we're back where we

2131
01:31:30,290 --> 01:31:26,469
were a hundred years ago creating the

2132
01:31:32,189 --> 01:31:30,300
same scientific rationale for

2133
01:31:35,580 --> 01:31:32,199
sterilizing people that we consider

2134
01:31:38,399 --> 01:31:35,590
unfit which is what produced the Nazi

2135
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:38,409
program to create the master race I mean

2136
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:40,239
it's it's not well known here it's here

2137
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:42,159
in the United States but the Nazi

2138
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:45,489
program that began in 1933 was based on

2139
01:31:53,089 --> 01:31:48,880
the eugenics policies of the state of

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01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:53,099
California which were brought there by a

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01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:55,449
well it basically developed around the

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01:32:00,029 --> 01:31:57,280
country but California in the state of

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01:32:01,799 --> 01:32:00,039
Indiana were early adopters and even as

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01:32:02,969 --> 01:32:01,809
late as the 1970s here in the United

2145
01:32:04,529 --> 01:32:02,979
States there were people who were being

2146
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:04,539
sterilized without their consent without

2147
01:32:08,189 --> 01:32:05,489
their knowledge

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01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:08,199
we thought that ended when the Nazis

2149
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:09,290
lost World War two

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01:32:14,140 --> 01:32:12,170
No and now it's just been called

2151
01:32:18,370 --> 01:32:14,150
transhumanism well who gets to son who

2152
01:32:20,860 --> 01:32:18,380
decides who gets to upgrade and what

2153
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:20,870
happens then when the rich get better

2154
01:32:24,730 --> 01:32:22,850
and the rest of us fall behind because

2155
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:24,740
now they're one or two orders of

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01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:26,210
magnitude smarter as they've upgraded

2157
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:28,010
their IQs their help is better they're

2158
01:32:30,130 --> 01:32:29,570
stronger they're faster they don't need

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01:32:32,860 --> 01:32:30,140
us anymore

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01:32:35,050 --> 01:32:32,870
we're useless eaters no I think

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01:32:37,810 --> 01:32:35,060
transhumanism is a very ugly side I

2162
01:32:39,340 --> 01:32:37,820
understand the reasons the proponents

2163
01:32:40,990 --> 01:32:39,350
are putting it out there but I think

2164
01:32:44,440 --> 01:32:41,000
human nature and again this gets back to

2165
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:44,450
my Christian worldview and the fact that

2166
01:32:48,670 --> 01:32:46,370
our default setting is selfishness I

2167
01:32:49,420 --> 01:32:48,680
want to upgrade it myself at the expense

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01:32:51,250 --> 01:32:49,430
of everybody else

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01:32:53,980 --> 01:32:51,260
I don't think transhumanism has a good

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01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:53,990
end now I don't think the technology

2171
01:32:58,300 --> 01:32:56,210
will ever be developed that will allow

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01:33:01,000 --> 01:32:58,310
us to beat death and I'm all in favor of

2173
01:33:03,810 --> 01:33:01,010
certain things to restore lost function

2174
01:33:06,220 --> 01:33:03,820
my dad had a to have a knee replaced

2175
01:33:08,380 --> 01:33:06,230
Josh Peck my co-author on the book the

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01:33:11,290 --> 01:33:08,390
day the earth stands still young man but

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01:33:13,810 --> 01:33:11,300
because of a bone defect he's already

2178
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:13,820
had his hip replaced but that's not the

2179
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:15,650
same thing as promising eternal life

2180
01:33:20,890 --> 01:33:17,930
through technology that is when you

2181
01:33:24,430 --> 01:33:20,900
cross the line into religion I had a

2182
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:24,440
thigh wanted to share with you since

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01:33:30,940 --> 01:33:28,370
we're talking about technology it came

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01:33:34,420 --> 01:33:30,950
to me really strong and thought I had

2185
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:34,430
was that technology will become so

2186
01:33:45,900 --> 01:33:37,970
advanced that we might end up becoming a

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01:33:49,390 --> 01:33:45,910
society that people who end up somehow

2188
01:33:52,150 --> 01:33:49,400
getting the kind of powerful technology

2189
01:33:55,210 --> 01:33:52,160
our governments might at a certain point

2190
01:33:58,360 --> 01:33:55,220
in time might become as powerful as the

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01:34:01,270 --> 01:33:58,370
governments that have technology so then

2192
01:34:06,730 --> 01:34:01,280
what kind of society will we become if

2193
01:34:08,700 --> 01:34:06,740
that happens yeah if that happens I

2194
01:34:13,150 --> 01:34:08,710
think that's the question

2195
01:34:14,530 --> 01:34:13,160
human history suggests that governments

2196
01:34:19,420 --> 01:34:14,540
will always make sure that they reserve

2197
01:34:20,740 --> 01:34:19,430
those things for those in power it would

2198
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:20,750
it would really have to be a game

2199
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:22,850
changer for that kind of tech now

2200
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:26,290
to make it out into the wild as it were

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01:34:31,450 --> 01:34:29,120
uncontrolled by governments by those

2202
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:31,460
with the the money and the power to do

2203
01:34:37,330 --> 01:34:35,360
so interesting thought exercise but I

2204
01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:37,340
honestly don't think based on human

2205
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:39,110
history that that's going to happen well

2206
01:34:49,660 --> 01:34:43,040
and thank goodness okay I would love to

2207
01:34:52,510 --> 01:34:49,670
be wrong so yes Frank uh yeah I mean hey

2208
01:34:56,260 --> 01:34:52,520
I need my glasses so you know that I

2209
01:34:58,480 --> 01:34:56,270
guess that's a little bit and Derek and

2210
01:35:00,930 --> 01:34:58,490
your glasses wear as well so more power

2211
01:35:03,850 --> 01:35:00,940
to you or that so definitely like that

2212
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:03,860
yeah one wouldn't the other question

2213
01:35:10,510 --> 01:35:07,610
that I want to get in is regarding Diane

2214
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:10,520
epistle cos book about American cosmic

2215
01:35:14,590 --> 01:35:12,650
he's not quite convinced that there's

2216
01:35:16,450 --> 01:35:14,600
going to be a new religion not coming

2217
01:35:19,540 --> 01:35:16,460
down the pike and that is going to be

2218
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:19,550
the et UFO religion I have to be honest

2219
01:35:22,570 --> 01:35:21,170
I don't necessarily see that happening

2220
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:22,580
now but do you have any thoughts on that

2221
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:25,250
as well Derek well it's again it's kind

2222
01:35:27,970 --> 01:35:26,570
of what inspired Josh and me to write

2223
01:35:30,730 --> 01:35:27,980
the book The Day the Earth stands still

2224
01:35:32,050 --> 01:35:30,740
the idea that there are about four times

2225
01:35:34,030 --> 01:35:32,060
more Americans who believe that were

2226
01:35:36,430 --> 01:35:34,040
being visited by ET than who believed in

2227
01:35:38,410 --> 01:35:36,440
the God of the Bible or at least in the

2228
01:35:39,220 --> 01:35:38,420
way he has described in the Bible I mean

2229
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:39,230
there a lot of people who say they

2230
01:35:41,980 --> 01:35:40,400
believe in God but then they've got

2231
01:35:43,420 --> 01:35:41,990
their own definition of what well I

2232
01:35:45,490 --> 01:35:43,430
don't think my God would do that sort of

2233
01:35:47,770 --> 01:35:45,500
thing yeah that's what it says right

2234
01:35:51,580 --> 01:35:47,780
here you know Leviticus that kind of

2235
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:51,590
thing so yeah I do think that there is a

2236
01:35:56,980 --> 01:35:54,890
that for many people in this who are

2237
01:35:59,560 --> 01:35:56,990
interested in subject it is a spiritual

2238
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:59,570
topic because they they're dissatisfied

2239
01:36:02,770 --> 01:36:01,280
with what they're getting from their

2240
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:02,780
churches and as I said that's that's on

2241
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:05,290
us as Christians doing a poor job of

2242
01:36:11,740 --> 01:36:08,570
representing the God that we claim to

2243
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:11,750
serve but and so they're looking for

2244
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:14,510
answers in these these entities that

2245
01:36:18,850 --> 01:36:16,850
they believe to be more advanced

2246
01:36:21,340 --> 01:36:18,860
technologically and perhaps spiritually

2247
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:21,350
now yeah I don't hold out the

2248
01:36:24,250 --> 01:36:22,850
possibility that there might not be a

2249
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:24,260
number of cults in fact we've already

2250
01:36:28,510 --> 01:36:27,170
seen UFO cults development sure so that

2251
01:36:31,090 --> 01:36:28,520
kind of thing is out there but a

2252
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:31,100
religion is really a much different

2253
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:32,690
thing that all the world's religions

2254
01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:33,970
have been around

2255
01:36:42,300 --> 01:36:38,110
1,800 2,000 2,500 years then set a

2256
01:36:45,420 --> 01:36:42,310
pretty durable belief set it depends on

2257
01:36:48,570 --> 01:36:45,430
how you define religion because there

2258
01:36:50,130 --> 01:36:48,580
are a lot of always call them Alucard

2259
01:36:52,290 --> 01:36:50,140
religions when people believe you know

2260
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:52,300
it's it in America today it's very

2261
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:54,010
trendy to say you know I'm not religious

2262
01:36:57,780 --> 01:36:56,410
I'm spiritual well okay well they are

2263
01:37:00,030 --> 01:36:57,790
following a religion where it's you know

2264
01:37:04,350 --> 01:37:00,040
whether it's got a central office of

2265
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:04,360
doctrine or not so I think the key word

2266
01:37:07,740 --> 01:37:06,250
using there is trendy yet to me a

2267
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:07,750
religion is something that sort of

2268
01:37:13,950 --> 01:37:11,520
stands the test of time mm-hmm

2269
01:37:17,490 --> 01:37:13,960
well again if you wanted to find it that

2270
01:37:20,220 --> 01:37:17,500
way as a set of doctrines that have been

2271
01:37:21,930 --> 01:37:20,230
handed down and you know agreed upon

2272
01:37:23,970 --> 01:37:21,940
instead of a sort of do-it-yourself

2273
01:37:26,370 --> 01:37:23,980
thing well you know I'm trying to make

2274
01:37:31,170 --> 01:37:26,380
contact with the zeta-reticulans because

2275
01:37:34,020 --> 01:37:31,180
you know through telepathic means that I

2276
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:34,030
think may could be defined that well

2277
01:37:40,380 --> 01:37:36,010
that could be defined as a religion even

2278
01:37:42,270 --> 01:37:40,390
though it does not have the the say the

2279
01:37:43,890 --> 01:37:42,280
type of doctrine or settled doctrine

2280
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:43,900
that the Roman Catholic Church does or

2281
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:45,250
you know any of the other mainline

2282
01:37:51,420 --> 01:37:49,600
denominations do it does a religion of a

2283
01:37:53,370 --> 01:37:51,430
different sort and that could be what

2284
01:37:54,690 --> 01:37:53,380
not having read the book I can't speak

2285
01:37:59,520 --> 01:37:54,700
for the author but that could be what

2286
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:59,530
she's she's deluding - yeah I mean it's

2287
01:38:03,690 --> 01:38:01,360
been great having you on that chant do

2288
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:03,700
you have anything else I do I wanted to

2289
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:05,410
let everybody know to please go to

2290
01:38:12,150 --> 01:38:09,760
Amazon to buy the book the day the earth

2291
01:38:14,190 --> 01:38:12,160
stands still unmasking the old gods

2292
01:38:16,290 --> 01:38:14,200
behind ETS UFOs in the official

2293
01:38:18,750 --> 01:38:16,300
disclosure movement by Derek P Gilbert

2294
01:38:20,580 --> 01:38:18,760
as co-author Josh Peck I also want to

2295
01:38:23,460 --> 01:38:20,590
let folks to please go check out

2296
01:38:27,060 --> 01:38:23,470
Derek's wonderful wife Sharon Kay

2297
01:38:31,130 --> 01:38:27,070
Gilbert she's a brilliant person and she

2298
01:38:33,900 --> 01:38:31,140
has written many books that I think

2299
01:38:35,790 --> 01:38:33,910
there's just so many different topics

2300
01:38:38,970 --> 01:38:35,800
that she's written on there's something

2301
01:38:42,150 --> 01:38:38,980
for everyone and please look her up it's

2302
01:38:43,620 --> 01:38:42,160
Sharon Kay Gilbert on Amazon and also

2303
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:43,630
just look her up to find out a little

2304
01:38:47,460 --> 01:38:45,610
bit more about her she has a lot to say

2305
01:38:49,650 --> 01:38:47,470
and a lot to contribute to

2306
01:38:52,170 --> 01:38:49,660
any different topics that we cover

2307
01:38:54,780 --> 01:38:52,180
tonight Derek it was a real privilege

2308
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:54,790
and an honor to have had the opportunity

2309
01:38:57,090 --> 01:38:56,530
to interview you tonight thank you so

2310
01:39:00,990 --> 01:38:57,100
much

2311
01:39:02,460 --> 01:39:01,000
was great having you on because these

2312
01:39:04,170 --> 01:39:02,470
different perspectives I think they're

2313
01:39:06,930 --> 01:39:04,180
important we like to get them out there

2314
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:06,940
and I see from this chat that our fan

2315
01:39:10,710 --> 01:39:09,250
base feels the same way we're all in

2316
01:39:12,900 --> 01:39:10,720
this together you know no matter what

2317
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:12,910
your faith or even if you're not aligned

2318
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:14,710
it doesn't really matter now we're all

2319
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,530
in this together and who knows what the

2320
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:19,360
future might hold hopefully good things

2321
01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:22,960
but if maybe not so good things then we

2322
01:39:26,340 --> 01:39:24,490
got to work together to try to overcome

2323
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:26,350
those issues so thanks again Tarek I

2324
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:32,010
sure do appreciate we know we do need to

2325
01:39:36,060 --> 01:39:34,210
sorry it was hard for me to hear I

2326
01:39:37,500 --> 01:39:36,070
didn't hear very much there I apologize

2327
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:37,510
for interrupting you but I did want to

2328
01:39:41,820 --> 01:39:39,970
make sure Derek that we do cover the

2329
01:39:44,910 --> 01:39:41,830
events that you may be going to this

2330
01:39:46,650 --> 01:39:44,920
year and next year can you please let

2331
01:39:49,770 --> 01:39:46,660
our audience know that it's very

2332
01:39:52,020 --> 01:39:49,780
important that they know we appreciate

2333
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:52,030
that of course the the one that is

2334
01:39:55,770 --> 01:39:53,290
probably of most interest to your

2335
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:55,780
audience is the true legends conference

2336
01:40:00,420 --> 01:39:57,760
in September that's the 13th through the

2337
01:40:03,150 --> 01:40:00,430
15th at the mansion theater in Branson

2338
01:40:04,410 --> 01:40:03,160
there's still some tickets available for

2339
01:40:06,570 --> 01:40:04,420
this and they'll have an opportunity to

2340
01:40:09,180 --> 01:40:06,580
see and hear from chase klutz key

2341
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:09,190
michael shraddh george knapp la Marzulli

2342
01:40:15,900 --> 01:40:11,170
Steve quale Timothy albariño professor

2343
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:15,910
Hugo de garis and that is a well it's

2344
01:40:19,170 --> 01:40:17,410
going to be a great venue I mean it's a

2345
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:19,180
very comfortable place to sit for in a

2346
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:21,970
day and see and hear the speakers and

2347
01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:23,530
Branson a great place to find you know

2348
01:40:29,490 --> 01:40:25,480
stuff other stuff to do and and to eat

2349
01:40:31,650 --> 01:40:29,500
so it's a great way to spend a couple of

2350
01:40:33,330 --> 01:40:31,660
days make it a vacation again it's

2351
01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:33,340
September 13th through the 15th and Gen

2352
01:40:38,730 --> 01:40:37,030
6 comm is the is the website for more

2353
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:38,740
information there if people are

2354
01:40:43,140 --> 01:40:41,290
interested in the topic of of giants and

2355
01:40:44,460 --> 01:40:43,150
giant ology actually got a conference

2356
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:44,470
coming up in just a couple of weeks in

2357
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:47,770
Lubbock Texas that is August 16th

2358
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,810
through 18th it's the sons of God giants

2359
01:40:53,580 --> 01:40:52,000
of old conference dr. Michael Heizer one

2360
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:53,590
of the featured speakers Sharon and I

2361
01:40:57,780 --> 01:40:56,530
will both be speaking dr. Judd Burton

2362
01:40:59,640 --> 01:40:57,790
who's the author of a book called

2363
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:59,650
interview with the giant ethno

2364
01:41:04,900 --> 01:41:01,280
historical notes on the Nephilim

2365
01:41:06,430 --> 01:41:04,910
and Aaron Jenkins dr. Aaron Jenkins

2366
01:41:08,830 --> 01:41:06,440
who's an archaeologist who was part of

2367
01:41:10,900 --> 01:41:08,840
the search for Noah's Ark in Turkey a

2368
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:10,910
couple of years ago and he was with the

2369
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:12,290
team that just discovered the most

2370
01:41:16,450 --> 01:41:15,530
recent Scroll cave at the Qumran the

2371
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:16,460
Dead Sea Scrolls

2372
01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:18,320
so that's August 16th through the 18th

2373
01:41:24,190 --> 01:41:22,510
at the fellowship in Lubbock Texas and

2374
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:24,200
registration for that when tickets for

2375
01:41:31,180 --> 01:41:26,930
that only five bucks suddenly I could

2376
01:41:33,010 --> 01:41:31,190
afford that I did want to let you know

2377
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:33,020
Derek that I did actually share all the

2378
01:41:39,130 --> 01:41:35,210
links regarding both events that she

2379
01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:39,140
mentioned in the chat room so that and I

2380
01:41:44,290 --> 01:41:41,600
want to let our listeners know you know

2381
01:41:45,580 --> 01:41:44,300
folks that are newbies to YouTube

2382
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:45,590
they get a little confused sometimes

2383
01:41:50,440 --> 01:41:48,290
when they hear about a chatroom in a

2384
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:50,450
podcast and then they wonder why they

2385
01:41:54,370 --> 01:41:52,850
can't join it because the podcast when

2386
01:41:57,100 --> 01:41:54,380
it first aired that's when the chatroom

2387
01:41:59,440 --> 01:41:57,110
happened however all of our listeners

2388
01:42:00,640 --> 01:41:59,450
need to know if you just look in the

2389
01:42:02,650 --> 01:42:00,650
chat room right now

2390
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:02,660
you will see the links regarding where

2391
01:42:06,730 --> 01:42:04,610
Derek is going to be and all the

2392
01:42:08,380 --> 01:42:06,740
speakers he just mentioned if you click

2393
01:42:10,330 --> 01:42:08,390
on those links you'll be able to attend

2394
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:10,340
those wonderful conferences so please do

2395
01:42:14,350 --> 01:42:12,530
that and Thank You Derek so much for

2396
01:42:15,550 --> 01:42:14,360
your time and please tell your wife I

2397
01:42:18,130 --> 01:42:15,560
would love to have the privilege of

2398
01:42:19,390 --> 01:42:18,140
interviewing her I will do that and

2399
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:19,400
thank you very much it's been an honor

2400
01:42:23,950 --> 01:42:21,170
and I appreciate you letting me you know

2401
01:42:26,050 --> 01:42:23,960
get here and just talk my father used to

2402
01:42:27,460 --> 01:42:26,060
say when you ask Derek for the time he

2403
01:42:30,940 --> 01:42:27,470
tells you how to build a watch so thank

2404
01:42:35,260 --> 01:42:30,950
you like guests like that we're used to

2405
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:35,270
them and of course I Friday a sigh

2406
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:36,770
fright that why'd you just roll on

2407
01:42:40,780 --> 01:42:39,050
Fridays would that show or is it like

2408
01:42:43,480 --> 01:42:40,790
our show where we say it's Sunday but

2409
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:43,490
who knows what we might be on well we

2410
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:45,050
record it when when time allows we

2411
01:42:47,950 --> 01:42:46,610
usually do record it on Thursday but we

2412
01:42:50,890 --> 01:42:47,960
release it on Fridays and you can find

2413
01:42:53,260 --> 01:42:50,900
it at psy Friday TV got it got it well

2414
01:42:56,590 --> 01:42:53,270
we try to fly without a net here so we

2415
01:42:58,630 --> 01:42:56,600
we generally roll live and sometimes

2416
01:43:00,100 --> 01:42:58,640
that worked well and sometimes we run

2417
01:43:03,100 --> 01:43:00,110
into some technical difficulties but

2418
01:43:04,450 --> 01:43:03,110
tonight went pretty smooth so the Lord

2419
01:43:07,230 --> 01:43:04,460
was with us today as far as the

2420
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:07,240
technology goes so I appreciate that

2421
01:43:11,110 --> 01:43:09,920
sorry Derek thanks again and good night

2422
01:43:13,390 --> 01:43:11,120
everybody we'll see you again on